[Replying to post 51 by marco
In my own infancy I looked on the tabernacle with awe, as God's dwelling place; the ciborium had God's rays of light and incense rising from a pall-covered coffin was the very breath of heaven. Losing this is no triumph and no cause for celebration.
Beautifully expressed. Even some devout Catholics I know donâ€™t get the imagery that you so perfectly capture with your words.
IMO, there is nothing infantile about accepting truth.
I agree. Finding it is the problem.
I think it isnâ€™t so much that finding it is the problem, rather it is more allowing oneself to find it. I think one would need to acknowledge that understanding the supernatural using only our natural means is always going to be imperfect. I think a person needs to recognize there is always a leap of faith necessary when dealing with religious matters. Of course, many things in life sometimes simply require an initial leap of faith. After that, everything just seems to fall into place.
I might have already posted this quote, but itâ€™s a good one . . .
â€œMysticism keeps men sane. As long as you have mystery you have health; when you destroy mystery you create morbidity. The ordinary man has always been sane because the ordinary man has always been a mystic. He has permitted the twilight. He has always had one foot in earth and the other in fairyland. He has always left himself free to doubt his gods; but (unlike the agnostic of to-day) free also to believe in them. He has always cared more for truth than for consistency. If he saw two truths that seemed to contradict each other, he would take the two truths and contradiction along with them. His spiritual sight is stereoscopic, like his physical sight: he sees two different pictures at once and yet sees all the better for that. . . The whole secret of mysticism is this: that man can understand everything by the help of what he does not understand. The morbid logician seeks to make everything lucid, and succeeds in making everything mysterious. The mystic allows one thing to be mysterious, and everything else becomes lucid.â€� -Chesterton
Any chance you could just accept God as a mystery that you will never in this world be capable of fully understanding?
I suspect that in a conversation with G.K. I would soon grow tired of his paradoxes.
Might start to sound a little like Yoda after awhile â€“ thinking everything you say sounds profound, but it is really the same words just in a different order.
If the face of God is merely the amazing display of galaxies, we can supply our own poetry. If he's the violent actor of the OT, nothing can redeem him, not even the Redeemer.
Really? I guess Iâ€™m always a little surprised this is as big of a stumbling block for some as it is. You canâ€™t imagine there might be information or details you arenâ€™t privy to? I guess I just see that as a given. Some day we will understand more, but right now we just have to trust.
Or could it not be as simple as recognizing that when we rebel against God, there are consequences and sometimes it is the innocent who suffer the consequences. Is the OT not simply to relay the reality that evil happens when men reject God, and often the wrong people suffer for it? Iâ€™ve also heard it said that Godâ€™s mercy is greater than His wrath and I think even in the OT it would be hard to argue with that more often being the case. It would be like if someone you knew was a kind, gentle, merciful, slow to anger, loving, caring friend, but when something (evil) that couldnâ€™t be reasoned with was threatening him, he felt compelled to retaliate and you then write him off. I guess I also donâ€™t understand how some canâ€™t understand that evil does exist and that it can be morally justifiable to overcome evil. That just doesnâ€™t seem unreasonable to me.
I would guess that a good God would love his idiot Marco to the extent of humouring him and occasionally correcting a foolish flaw.
I would imagine so. But what if the only way to protect Marco from evil was to fight evil before it got to Marco? Perhaps Marco doesnâ€™t realize the unseen preliminary battles that might have been fought so that now he only needs an occasional correcting of foolish flaws. Perhaps you have already been saved from the clutches of pure demonic possession. Itâ€™s difficult for children to comprehend the kind of evil that their parents know exists in the world.