Attack on Nelson Goodman's "Entrenchment"

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Attack on Nelson Goodman's "Entrenchment"

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From a Christian/Scientologist mind, I have found an angle against the "Entrenchment" notion of Philosophy of Science.

From 25 September 2017

"The importance of the experiment is great. So great that if you do it properly you will not see any counter experiments confirmed because what you have proved with it is definite. Thus, seeing "features/laws of nature" become properly expressed is a matter of writing into eternity. Therefore, Confirmation is stronger than what is popularly written because the experiments/discoveries should describe something fundamental."

As comment from https://whatiswritten777.blogspot.no/20 ... 2969958312.
The blog posting: https://whatiswritten777.blogspot.no/20 ... d-hdm.html.

With Hypothetico-Deductive Model, this sets the science on a firm mount, philosophically.

So in this vein, one can list a number of classical experiments "from the classroom" so to speak, thinking of Newtonian experiments, measurements according to Einstein, various magnetic experiments, demonstrations of electricity and so on, the whole "wood" of renowned scientific experiments.

So what are your thoughts? Does it hold? Anything to comment? Cheers! :D

Note on important work from Nelson Goodman: Fact, Fiction and Forecast. Goodman, Nelson (1955). Fact, Fiction, and Forecast. Cambridge, Massachusetts: Harvard UP, 1955. Url, Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fact,_Fic ... d_Forecast.

Useful links:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_riddle_of_induction
https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/goodman/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nelson_Goodman
Secondarily:
https://whatiswritten777.blogspot.no/20 ... .html#OGNR - ON THE
GOODMAN'S NEW RIDDLE OF INDUCTION.
https://whatiswritten777.blogspot.no/20 ... l.html#SSP - SUGGESTION TO SOLUTION OF THE PARADOX OF THE RAVENS
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Re: Attack on Nelson Goodman's "Entrenchment"

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How does this invalidate entrenchment?

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Re: Attack on Nelson Goodman's "Entrenchment"

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For example, to discover the blue whales, properly described and all that makes the blue whales a definite part of the history of animals on Earth.

Likewise, you can't say definitely that every experiment and theory are going to be overthrown, invalidated, in the future because it may just be that the scientist has come across a fundamental part of scientific history of the World. As such, the fundamental discovery of a certain experiment entailing a certain theory/hypothesis does not need time to be proven. It is in fact proven right there and then because there feasible experiments/theories/hypotheses to overthrow/invalidate it! I think a distinction of such a deviced experiment/theory/hypothesis is its immense, striking character of credibility/plausibility.

Secondarily, it must be said it's pure logic that at one point in time or another, one should hit upon fundamental features of nature/World science that stays with the knowledge of any sentience forever!

For instance: what can turn around/invalidate magnetics? Say magnetics of the Earth? In general? What can turn around/invalidate electricity? What can turn around/invalidate great parts of chemistry? Etc. We need to realize that what we have now found is likely, in large parts, to stay with us for as long as humanity survives/remains in the Universe.

In this respect, the history of astronomy, the best parts, is going to remain for all foreseeable future, which is fascinating and inspiring. One account of astronomy history here (against Kuhn and SSR): https://whatiswritten777.blogspot.no/20 ... kuhns.html.

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Many years ago I had a friend who was a lab worker for what was then a government owned science research company. My friend had some qualification but did not have a science degree. He was often involved in the setting up and monitoring of experiments under the supervision of someone with a PhD. He was a sort after lab technician because he could get experiments to run as expected. He pointed out that often the Phd person was not very good at handling the equipment and they were always messing it up. Though they knew what was supposed to happen.

There are famous anecdotal stories about Noble winner Wolfgang Pauli who had the reputation of disrupting an experiment if he just walked in the lab.

These kinds of anecdotal stories suggest to me the results of science are always tentative and there is a degree of agreement that one kind of expected result is the right one. And Max Planck famously quipped new ideas do not become accepted because people see the light, rather the opponents to the idea die away.All this hints that entrenched ideas are a problem to overcome in science.

But maybe that tension is just how science works best - done slowly and with resistance.

It is a drain on our energy to keep going back to check every result. So a degree of political entrenchment is also healthy. The example I have in mind is the flat Earth theory meme presently infecting the internet and Youtube. Some people are clearly putting in a lot of work to sustain this meme. But some truths really are put to bed and settled - the Earth is not flat - and accepting such a basic idea is up for debate is to join in with the insanity. So there is likely a list of basic facts and principles we really do not need to revise and it is not worth the energy entertaining the folk who insist otherwise. We simply have to accept there is some part of human nature that would drag us back to a flat Earth, animism, paganism., etcetera., and the correct response is to sigh and look at them sadly.

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There's a correction to be made. The best link so to speak has accidentally been left out due to hurry and stress. I'm sorry for this as this is indeed my philosophy and my pride.

(Again,) Secondarily:
https://whatiswritten777.blogspot.no/20 ... .html#PSST - THE POWER OF A SINGLE SPAN OF TIME - AN INSTANCE - CONTRARY TO HUME ON INDUCTION - THE REFUTATION OF THE PROBLEM OF INDUCTION (At least a previous attempt at refutation.)
https://whatiswritten777.blogspot.no/20 ... .html#OGNR - ON THE GOODMAN'S NEW RIDDLE OF INDUCTION.
https://whatiswritten777.blogspot.no/20 ... l.html#SSP - SUGGESTION TO SOLUTION OF THE PARADOX OF THE RAVENS
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