Is there an answer to Islamic terrorism?

[marco]

And so beautiful Barcelona joins the list of cities terrorists have attacked. I don't doubt that there are those who will say America and the West are responsible. One of the terrorists apparently wrote of his desire to kill infidels.

I was in Madrid a few weeks ago and had intended to revisit Barcelona and its busy street, Las Ramblas, where the atrocities occurred. So terror is just a breath away, at least here in Europe.

Is it possible for those who want to kill to be educated if not by impious Westerners by Imams? Are those who want to kill "infidels" already known in their home circles? Obviously the scale of this lunacy will grow and we will hear on our screens the fatuous: "They will not win." But they do.

What can we do to ensure "they will not win"? Should the world convert to Islam, at least nominally?

[paarsurrey1]

[Replying to post 99 by Bust Nak]

Paarsurrey
The Promised Messiah/Imam Mahdi 1835-1908, the lawful Caliph/Successor under Converse with the One-True-God had categorically prohibited to take any such measures.

Bust Nak
You referring to this person? It says not every Muslim agrees on his status. Some of his contemporary scholars argued against him for his rejection of armed Jihad.

The so called scholars were/are wrong. They enjoy no authority from Quran/Islam/Muhammad, please.
Regards

[JP Cusick]

Kiling is not murder. If we truly went after this problem as we did earlier in history, it would all be solved. We are dealing with guttural third world people. If dealt with as such(IE, kill them as they wish to kill us, this would be over for now), we would be done and at relative peace for 50-100 years as shown by WW2(probably much quicker as none of them have the resources or means to do what Germany and Japan did.) We seem have to lost our heart, convincing ourselves they can be reasoned with. Can we be reasoned with and deny our beliefs? No, neither can they. Should we try? Yes, enough to give doubt, but no more.

This above is an example of wanting to murder and trying to say it is not murder.

And that is an American perspective - it is not the view of Islam or of a Muslim.

[Rufus21]

If dealt with as such(IE, kill them as they wish to kill us, this would be over for now), we would be done and at relative peace for 50-100 years...

"I know how to make people stop wanting to kill us - we'll kill them all!"

Or would that only justify their revenge?

[Bust Nak]

The so called scholars were/are wrong. They enjoy no authority from Quran/Islam/Muhammad, please.

Well, it's the words of one group of Muslim against the words of another group of Muslim. Each side insisting the other side of being wrong, both sides claim to have divine revelation. Form the outside one can't tell which side has the correct interpretation. I would of course prefer Muslims to be peaceful, but my preference doesn't mean much to those who disagree.

[paarsurrey1]

The so called scholars were/are wrong. They enjoy no authority from Quran/Islam/Muhammad, please.

Well, it's the words of one group of Muslim against the words of another group of Muslim. Each side insisting the other side of being wrong, both sides claim to have divine revelation. Form the outside one can't tell which side has the correct interpretation. I would of course prefer Muslims to be peaceful, but my preference doesn't mean much to those who disagree.

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I humbly submit:

~It is not difficult to see which side is correct, no compulsion, however, please.
~Ahmadiyya Islam is correct, peaceful and truthful, the West realizes it but in discussions, they side with the Mulllahs-the hardened, the so-called scholars, because that suits their world politics.

No compulsion, however, please.
Right, please?
Regards

[Bust Nak]

I humbly submit:

~It is not difficult to see which side is correct, no compulsion, however, please.
~Ahmadiyya Islam is correct, peaceful and truthful, the West realizes it but in discussions, they side with the Mulllahs-the hardened, the so-called scholars, because that suits their world politics.

It's not difficult to see which side is preferable. What is preferable isn't necessarily true though. Ahmadiyya Islam is peaceful, I will accept that much. As for the West siding with hardened Mullahs I would point that that depends on which politician you are talking about. There are plenty who came out in defence of the moderate Muslims, notably Obama. You don't need to be convincing us that Islam is peaceful, you need to convince the harden Muslims Islam is peaceful. The bottom line is we don't really care if Islam is peaceful or not, mostly we care about if Muslims are peaceful or not. And far too many are not peaceful, and it reflect badly on Islam, regardless of whether Ahmadiyya Islam is the correct version of Islam or not.

[JP Cusick]

Well, it's the words of one group of Muslim against the words of another group of Muslim. Each side insisting the other side of being wrong, both sides claim to have divine revelation. Form the outside one can't tell which side has the correct interpretation. I would of course prefer Muslims to be peaceful, but my preference doesn't mean much to those who disagree.

Every Country and people are mostly peaceful, and only a few are the warriors, so only the Muslim warriors go to war.

The same in the USA in that there are some Americans who do not support the American warmongering, but the American warmongers have been in control of the USA for a very long time.

I see it as insane that Americans will bully and threaten every Country on the planet earth - and then cry to Kingdom come when any people fight back against our violent aggression.

[paarsurrey1]

I humbly submit:

~It is not difficult to see which side is correct, no compulsion, however, please.
~Ahmadiyya Islam is correct, peaceful and truthful, the West realizes it but in discussions, they side with the Mulllahs-the hardened, the so-called scholars, because that suits their world politics.

It's not difficult to see which side is preferable. What is preferable isn't necessarily true though. Ahmadiyya Islam is peaceful, I will accept that much. As for the West siding with hardened Mullahs I would point that that depends on which politician you are talking about. There are plenty who came out in defence of the moderate Muslims, notably Obama. You don't need to be convincing us that Islam is peaceful, you need to convince the harden Muslims Islam is peaceful. The bottom line is we don't really care if Islam is peaceful or not, mostly we care about if Muslims are peaceful or not. And far too many are not peaceful, and it reflect badly on Islam, regardless of whether Ahmadiyya Islam is the correct version of Islam or not.

That is engaging in politics, we Ahmadiyya Muslims don't engage in it, but here in the religious discussion/debate forum the scope of which is discussion/debate to find the truth, one is motivated for doing this. Please
Regards

[Bust Nak]

That is engaging in politics, we Ahmadiyya Muslims don't engage in it, but here in the religious discussion/debate forum the scope of which is discussion/debate to find the truth, one is motivated for doing this.

The truth is Ahmadiyya Islam is just one out of many forms of Islam. The truth is Islam in general, without the Ahmadiyya qualifier, is not peaceful.

[Bust Nak]

Every Country and people are mostly peaceful, and only a few are the warriors, so only the Muslim warriors go to war.

Terrorism is not war. Wars have rules of engagement.

I see it as insane that Americans will bully and threaten every Country on the planet earth - and then cry to Kingdom come when any people fight back against our violent aggression.

That is to be expected isn't it? Of course people cry when they are attacked.