Scientific Method is useless in religion and or philosophy?

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Scientific Method is useless in religion and or philosophy?

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Scientific Method is useless in religion and or philosophy. Isn't it? Please
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paarsurrey1 wrote: The core issues of the the truthful religion are:
Let's stop right there. How do you determine which religion is 'the truthful one'? Did you get personal, divine revelation? i.e. did some god talk to you?

Or perhaps more realistically, you simply adopted the religion of your culture and accepted the stories told to you by parents, religious leaders, etc. Why did you accept one particular set of stories over another?
paarsurrey1 wrote: Articles of Faith

Unity of God
Which god? How do you know there is only one or more than one? Where did you learn what a god is? Why did you believe your preferred definition? Did you not use any evidence?
paarsurrey1 wrote: His Angels
What is an angel? How do you know they even exist never mind who owns them?
paarsurrey1 wrote: His Books
There are all manner of religious books. Why do you choose the set you hold sacred? Because someone told you? Do you believe everything people tell you? Surely you must have some method to weed out make believe and truth.
paarsurrey1 wrote: His Prophets
The Last Day
Divine Decree
Similar to above questions. You are assuming all kinds of stuff based on nothing but stories given to you by other people. With no method to the truth of one story over another, how do you choose? Personal preference?
paarsurrey1 wrote: Five Pillars of Islam

Kalima
Prayer
Fasting
Zakaat
Hajj

https://www.alislam.org/
So you are basing your 'truth' on what a web site is telling you? Or more likely some particular set of books?
paarsurrey1 wrote: Science never took them officially to investigate.
It is none of its business. Right, please?
What do you mean by 'Science'? Do you mean the scientific community? Or do you you mean the method which is the title of this thread? And what do you mean 'officially'? Anyone can employ the scientific method. You can do it right now, sitting in front of your computer.

The real issue is that no one can seem to come up with a falsifiable hypothesis for their favorite god concept. Some accidentally make claims about their god (i.e. Christians and the various tales in their holy book) which have been debunked using scientific methods. The result was to retreat to a less defined version of their god (or simply ignore facts).

Is there some undetectable being outside of our universe? Who knows. Why start making stuff up when we have no evidence of such a thing? Make up all the stories you like, but don't start proclaiming 'truths' or 'truthful religions' when you can't show any of it to be true.

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Re: Scientific Method is useless in religion and or philosop

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H.sapiens wrote:
marco wrote:
paarsurrey1 wrote:
Nevertheless, Science and Religion support one another, please.
Not always, paarsurrey. "Doctor, can you bring Lazarus back to life? His body is already decaying." Answer: "No. This cannot be done."

"Jesus, can you bring Lazarus back to life?" Answer: "Yes, by saying a few words. Watch me."


Miracles often run counter to scientific knowledge. Religion ignores science and usually science ignores religion.
Miracles, by definition run counter to scientific knowledge. Religion often denies science, as a matter of faith. Science often falsifies religion as a matter of fact.
Miracles, by definition run counter to scientific knowledge.
Not necessarily:

Miracles are not seen in Islam as unnatural occurrences, but as
natural phenomena that are concealed from human knowledge at
a certain period of time.
Otherwise, there would be many questions
raised against the wisdom of God. If God created the laws of
nature Himself, He should have made some provisions whereby
without breaking them, He could bring about desired solutions to
a problem.
Not all laws are known to man. There are categories of laws
working as if in different tiers and on separate planes. Sometimes
they are known to man only on one plane and man’s sight is not
able to penetrate beyond. As time goes on, man’s knowledge
increases and so does the penetration of man’s sight and his
capacity to observe such laws as had hitherto remained unperceived.
As science progresses, new discoveries throw more light
on such laws which seem to work in groups. So, their function
and interaction with other laws is better understood.
https://www.alislam.org/library/books/C ... ourney.pdf
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Re: Scientific Method is useless in religion and or philosop

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paarsurrey1 wrote:
H.sapiens wrote:
marco wrote:
paarsurrey1 wrote:
Nevertheless, Science and Religion support one another, please.
Not always, paarsurrey. "Doctor, can you bring Lazarus back to life? His body is already decaying." Answer: "No. This cannot be done."

"Jesus, can you bring Lazarus back to life?" Answer: "Yes, by saying a few words. Watch me."


Miracles often run counter to scientific knowledge. Religion ignores science and usually science ignores religion.
Miracles, by definition run counter to scientific knowledge. Religion often denies science, as a matter of faith. Science often falsifies religion as a matter of fact.
Miracles, by definition run counter to scientific knowledge.
Not necessarily:

Miracles are not seen in Islam as unnatural occurrences, but as
natural phenomena that are concealed from human knowledge at
a certain period of time.
Otherwise, there would be many questions
raised against the wisdom of God. If God created the laws of
nature Himself, He should have made some provisions whereby
without breaking them, He could bring about desired solutions to
a problem.
Not all laws are known to man. There are categories of laws
working as if in different tiers and on separate planes. Sometimes
they are known to man only on one plane and man’s sight is not
able to penetrate beyond. As time goes on, man’s knowledge
increases and so does the penetration of man’s sight and his
capacity to observe such laws as had hitherto remained unperceived.
As science progresses, new discoveries throw more light
on such laws which seem to work in groups. So, their function
and interaction with other laws is better understood.
https://www.alislam.org/library/books/C ... ourney.pdf
Regards
Ah, so you worship the Trickster God, the one out to fool you, like Loki This is your TRUE GOD? Give us a break ... please.

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