"Christian" or "Christianity" is not a definition, it started as a misnomer. It was not started by Jesus- the anointed one. It was started by Paul and the Church the un-anointed ones. I agree that the common man doesn't know this; nevertheless, it is the reality they must know it. It is important for them to save them. Paul and the Church cannot save them; Jesus' truthful teachings could save them. Right, please?
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Can Paul and or the Church save the “Christians�?
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Hello,
“it was first in Antioch that the disciples were by divine providence called Christians.�—Acts 11:26.
The Greek word used for 'divine providence' is chrématizó.
http://biblehub.com/greek/5537.htm
Short Definition: I warn, am publicly called
Definition: (originally: I transact business), (a) act. of God: I warn; pass: I am warned by God (probably in response to an inquiry as to one's duty), (b) (I take a name from my public business, hence) I receive a name, am publicly called.
chrématizó has to do with names and warnings particularly when declared by God.
Other scriptures where it occurs and they all have to with divine names, warnings and direction:
http://biblehub.com/greek/strongs_5537.htm
The Bible shows that the name Christians was God-given. Do you accept this?
“it was first in Antioch that the disciples were by divine providence called Christians.�—Acts 11:26.
The Greek word used for 'divine providence' is chrématizó.
http://biblehub.com/greek/5537.htm
Short Definition: I warn, am publicly called
Definition: (originally: I transact business), (a) act. of God: I warn; pass: I am warned by God (probably in response to an inquiry as to one's duty), (b) (I take a name from my public business, hence) I receive a name, am publicly called.
chrématizó has to do with names and warnings particularly when declared by God.
Other scriptures where it occurs and they all have to with divine names, warnings and direction:
http://biblehub.com/greek/strongs_5537.htm
The Bible shows that the name Christians was God-given. Do you accept this?
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2timothy316 wrote: Hello,
“it was first in Antioch that the disciples were by divine providence called Christians.�—Acts 11:26.
The Greek word used for 'divine providence' is chrématizó.
http://biblehub.com/greek/5537.htm
Short Definition: I warn, am publicly called
Definition: (originally: I transact business), (a) act. of God: I warn; pass: I am warned by God (probably in response to an inquiry as to one's duty), (b) (I take a name from my public business, hence) I receive a name, am publicly called.
chrématizó has to do with names and warnings particularly when declared by God.
Other scriptures where it occurs and they all have to with divine names, warnings and direction:
http://biblehub.com/greek/strongs_5537.htm
The Bible shows that the name Christians was God-given. Do you accept this?
“it was first in Antioch that the disciples were by divine providence called Christians.�—Acts 11:26.
In what year it happened and one what person, please?
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The book of Acts covers a period of approximately 28 years, from Jesus’ ascension in 33 C.E. to the end of the second year of Paul’s imprisonment in Rome about 61 C.E.
The exact year is not really known as the Bible doesn't give the exact year. It also doesn't say exactly how the name came into existence or even who thought of the name. All we know from the Bible is that God picked it and it's the name that those that wish live like Jesus did receive.
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Paul could have done it himself without any authority from Jesus. Paul did invent many things that Jesus never believed in.2timothy316 wrote:The book of Acts covers a period of approximately 28 years, from Jesus’ ascension in 33 C.E. to the end of the second year of Paul’s imprisonment in Rome about 61 C.E.
The exact year is not really known as the Bible doesn't give the exact year. It also doesn't say exactly how the name came into existence or even who thought of the name. All we know from the Bible is that God picked it and it's the name that those that wish live like Jesus did receive.
Why should the followers of Jesus obey Paul out of blind-faith, please?
Jesus believed either with reason or with Word of Revelation from God, he was a reasonable man.
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Yet that is not what the Bible says. The Bible says that the name was chosen by God not Paul. Do you accept the Bible as God's Word or not?paarsurrey1 wrote:Paul could have done it himself without any authority from Jesus. Paul did invent many things that Jesus never believed in.2timothy316 wrote:The book of Acts covers a period of approximately 28 years, from Jesus’ ascension in 33 C.E. to the end of the second year of Paul’s imprisonment in Rome about 61 C.E.
The exact year is not really known as the Bible doesn't give the exact year. It also doesn't say exactly how the name came into existence or even who thought of the name. All we know from the Bible is that God picked it and it's the name that those that wish live like Jesus did receive.
Why should the followers of Jesus obey Paul out of blind-faith, please?
Jesus believed either with reason or with Word of Revelation from God, he was a reasonable man.
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Tell us what those things were, please.Paul did invent many things that Jesus never believed in.
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Re: Can Paul and or the Church save the “Christians�?
Post #8No one is saved by their understanding of the truth but only by faith, an unproven HOPE in Christ as their saviour. EVERYONE knows the truth of YHWH's divinity and power as per Rom 1:20 and so all are without excuse for their continued rebellion to HIM BUIT that their sinfulness has them repress this proof in favour of the sin they love, Rom 1:21 to the end.paarsurrey1 wrote: "Christian" or "Christianity" is not a definition, it started as a misnomer. It was not started by Jesus- the anointed one. It was started by Paul and the Church the un-anointed ones. I agree that the common man doesn't know this; nevertheless, it is the reality they must know it. It is important for them to save them. Paul and the Church cannot save them; Jesus' truthful teachings could save them. Right, please?
PCE Theology as I see it...
We had an existence with a free will in Sheol before the creation of the physical universe. Here we chose to be able to become holy or to be eternally evil in YHWH's sight. Then the physical universe was created and all sinners were sent to earth.
This theology debunks the need to base Christianity upon the blasphemy of creating us in Adam's sin.
We had an existence with a free will in Sheol before the creation of the physical universe. Here we chose to be able to become holy or to be eternally evil in YHWH's sight. Then the physical universe was created and all sinners were sent to earth.
This theology debunks the need to base Christianity upon the blasphemy of creating us in Adam's sin.
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Re: Can Paul and or the Church save the “Christians�?
Post #9ttruscott wrote:No one is saved by their understanding of the truth but only by faith, an unproven HOPE in Christ as their saviour. EVERYONE knows the truth of YHWH's divinity and power as per Rom 1:20 and so all are without excuse for their continued rebellion to HIM BUIT that their sinfulness has them repress this proof in favour of the sin they love, Rom 1:21 to the end.paarsurrey1 wrote: "Christian" or "Christianity" is not a definition, it started as a misnomer. It was not started by Jesus- the anointed one. It was started by Paul and the Church the un-anointed ones. I agree that the common man doesn't know this; nevertheless, it is the reality they must know it. It is important for them to save them. Paul and the Church cannot save them; Jesus' truthful teachings could save them. Right, please?
It is from Paul who propagated blind-faith, not from Jesus who upheld reason and Revelation. PleaseNo one is saved by their understanding of the truth but only by faith
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Re: Can Paul and or the Church save the “Christians�?
Post #10Where or when did Paul propagate blind faith?paarsurrey1 wrote:ttruscott wrote:No one is saved by their understanding of the truth but only by faith, an unproven HOPE in Christ as their saviour. EVERYONE knows the truth of YHWH's divinity and power as per Rom 1:20 and so all are without excuse for their continued rebellion to HIM BUIT that their sinfulness has them repress this proof in favour of the sin they love, Rom 1:21 to the end.paarsurrey1 wrote: "Christian" or "Christianity" is not a definition, it started as a misnomer. It was not started by Jesus- the anointed one. It was started by Paul and the Church the un-anointed ones. I agree that the common man doesn't know this; nevertheless, it is the reality they must know it. It is important for them to save them. Paul and the Church cannot save them; Jesus' truthful teachings could save them. Right, please?It is from Paul who propagated blind-faith, not from Jesus who upheld reason and Revelation. PleaseNo one is saved by their understanding of the truth but only by faith
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G ive examples of Jesus upholding reason.
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