myth-one.com wrote: ↑Sun Jan 01, 2023 9:35 pm
2ndpillar2 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 01, 2023 5:42 pm
Muslims believe in "Isa"/Yeshua, or in their words, Isa, the son of Mary. Are they saved . . .
Believing that Jesus Christ existed as a man is not the same as believing in Jesus Christ as one's Savior from the wages of their sins.
2ndpillar2 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 01, 2023 5:42 pmThe only men with a reserved ticket for the "lake of fire" are apparently the "beast" and the "false prophet". (Rev 20:10).
You're omitting the largest group with a reserved ticket -- those whose names are not written in tghe Book of Life:
And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. (Revelation 20:15)
The names written in the "book of Life" were written there from the foundation of the world (Rev 17:8), not a come to "Jesus" moment.
As for "believing Jesus Christ as one's Savior" saving one from the wages of sin, is a nonstarter, for the mark of sin, is disease & death, and I am supposing you have your plagues (sicknesses) of the nations, as well as you are on the road to death. Your definition of "death" (permanent death) is wrong, as the righteous of Rev 20:4 all sinned yet will never face your defined "death" which is the judgment for sin (Jeremiah 31:30), which they all committed in order for them to die in the first place. As for Jesus Christ being the savior, well that is not quite right. "Jesus" (Yeshua) means YHWH (LORD) saves, and Christ means anointed one, which would refer to those anointed by the LORD, such as kings, prophets, priests, and judges. Yeshua came during the period of the star of David, to the town of David, and was for the fulfilling of the prophets such as Ez 34 & 37, whereas David is made king and shepherd, whereas in Ezekiel 34, all the preceding "fat shepherds" are "destroyed" (Ez 34:16). It is not until after the LORD God judges between the sheep (Ezekiel 34:20) that he puts David in charge. The difference between the false prophet and those thrown into the "lake of fire", is that the "false prophet", apparently will continue in "torment" forever and ever. (Rev 20:10), whereas the others are without everlasting life, and will be no more. Apparently, those who are "saved", such as written in the book of life, are determined from the foundation of the world, and lest one is scratched out of that book, they most probably won't be deceived by your false prophet and beast. (Matthew 24:14) On the other hand, the "beast with two horns like a lamb", Constantine along with Peter and Paul, will "deceive those who dwell on the earth" (Revelation 13:14) which probably includes around 2 billion "Christians", included among the "many" of Matthew 7:13-15).