The kingdom of God.

[Checkpoint]

Some seem to think it is entirely future, while others give the impression they are always thinking of it as present, and to not be looking at the future in kingdom terms at all.

Jesus had much to say about the kingdom, including this:

Luke 16:

6 The Law and the Prophets were until John; since then the good news of the kingdom of God is preached, and everyone is being zealously urged into it.

So, where do you stand as to whether it is present, future, or has both a present and a future aspect?

On what basis?

According to which scriptures?

[myth-one.com]

Now you are back , would you like to learn about Jesus and lead a better life? If the person says "Yes" and he goes on to lead a better life then he can live forever. If the answer is yes, but the person proves unfaithful after learning about Jesus, they will have to die.

The Bible states that believers will be resurrected to everlasting life. We will no longer be humans, but immortal spiritual beings born of God.

Once that occurs, we can no longer die, even if we become unfaithful.

Everlasting life and "can have everlasting life" are not equivalents!

Can you please explain that concept further?

Thanks

[JehovahsWitness]

That said, most people don't like being "blackmailed", if someone does view the offer to submit to Christs rule and live as "blackmail" then logically they would not want to live indefinitely under such conditions.

Exactly ...

Good now you understand the logic of the teaching. Those that that see the opprtunity to live a morally sound life as you do, will be free to choose death.


JW

[William]

That said, most people don't like being "blackmailed", if someone does view the offer to submit to Christs rule and live as "blackmail" then logically they would not want to live indefinitely under such conditions.

Exactly ...

Good noow you understand the logic of the teaching. Anything else?


JW

Please refrain from quote-mining

[JehovahsWitness]

Exactly ...

Good now you understand the logic of the teaching. Anything else?

(Ellipsis [...]added.)


Was there anything else? Are we done or did you have anything else you wanted to add? Is so, please don't hesitate to let me know. If not...


Goodbye.

[William]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #1434]

[2ndpillar2]

[Replying to 2ndpillar2 in post #1425]

The Bible contains two testaments or covenants between mankind and God. Under both covenants, God is the benefactor and man is the possible beneficiary.

Humans who qualify as heirs under either covenant will receive everlasting life as their inheritance.

There was a "fault" in the original Covenant, thus the New Testament was created.

Under the Old Testament one had to be without sin to become an heir unto everlasting life.

Under the New Testament one has to believe in Jesus as their Savior from the wages of their sins to become an heir unto everlasting life.

That's it.

Yet, you have not been "saved" from the coming judgment (Joel 2:31-32), and as for sin, you remain in your sins as shown by your afflictions and your coming death. As for "entering into life", Yeshua said you would have to keep the commandments (Matthew 19:17), which is not "burdensome"/difficult (1 John 5:3). Your catch 22, given to you by the false prophet Paul, means to come to the truth, you must give up your perceived "salvation", which is nothing but a puff of hot air. As the name of the "son of man" indicates, Yeshua means YHWH saves, which is to say the LORD God saves. Of course, if you don't believe in Yeshua's name, the "YHWH (LORD) saves", which is also "the Word of God" per Revelation 19:13, then you may have a problem. Per the "new covenant" of Jeremiah 31:31-33, the LORD will write the LAW into the hearts of the "house of Israel/Jacob".

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #1289]
I used to live in Plainfield We were neighbors!

Yes! Small world!

Would you comment on posts number 1290 and 1291? It's not fair to just berate a poster for what they wrote.....please address what was posted.

Kate did comment , but I dont see that she addressed the point that it would be unscriptual and unreasonable for God to destroy the planet.



JW

[myth-one.com]

[Replying to 2ndpillar2 in post #1425]

The Bible contains two testaments or covenants between mankind and God. Under both covenants, God is the benefactor and man is the possible beneficiary.

Humans who qualify as heirs under either covenant will receive everlasting life as their inheritance.

There was a "fault" in the original Covenant, thus the New Testament was created.

Under the Old Testament one had to be without sin to become an heir unto everlasting life.

Under the New Testament one has to believe in Jesus as their Savior from the wages of their sins to become an heir unto everlasting life.

That's it.

Yet, you have not been "saved" from the coming judgment . . .

Believers do not face judgment. There is no reason for believers to be judged.

Being a Christian, I will not face judgment. I will participate by judging the sinful amgels:

1 Corinthians 6:3
Know ye not that we (believers) shall judge angels?

. . . and as for sin, you remain in your sins as shown by your afflictions and your coming death.

Being human, so do you.

As for "entering into life", Yeshua said you would have to keep the commandments (Matthew 19:17), . . .

The New Testament Covenant became effective when Jesus died on the cross. Until He died on the cross, the Jews were under the original covenant between man and God. Under that covenant, Jews had to keep the commandments to enter into life. That is no longer a requirement after Jesus died on the cross and the New Testament Covenant became the effective covenant!

Jesus stated what one living at that time under the active covenant must do to enter everlasting life.

[2ndpillar2]

[Replying to 2ndpillar2 in post #1425]

The Bible contains two testaments or covenants between mankind and God. Under both covenants, God is the benefactor and man is the possible beneficiary.

Humans who qualify as heirs under either covenant will receive everlasting life as their inheritance.

There was a "fault" in the original Covenant, thus the New Testament was created.

Under the Old Testament one had to be without sin to become an heir unto everlasting life.

Under the New Testament one has to believe in Jesus as their Savior from the wages of their sins to become an heir unto everlasting life.

That's it.

Yet, you have not been "saved" from the coming judgment . . .

Believers do not face judgment. There is no reason for believers to be judged.

Being a Christian, I will not face judgment. I will participate by judging the sinful amgels:

1 Corinthians 6:3
Know ye not that we (believers) shall judge angels?

. . . and as for sin, you remain in your sins as shown by your afflictions and your coming death.

Being human, so do you.

As for "entering into life", Yeshua said you would have to keep the commandments (Matthew 19:17), . . .

The New Testament Covenant became effective when Jesus died on the cross. Until He died on the cross, the Jews were under the original covenant between man and God. Under that covenant, Jews had to keep the commandments to enter into life. That is no longer a requirement after Jesus died on the cross and the New Testament Covenant became the effective covenant!

Jesus stated what one living at that time under the active covenant must do to enter everlasting life.

I don't know, but I think Revelation and the gospels were written after the "crucifixion", plenty of time to note a change in the weather (Revelation 12:17 & Matthew 19:17). As for who is saved from the "day of the LORD" (Joel 2:31-32), the "great tribulation" (Matthew 24:21-22), that would be those in "Jerusalem", the Jews, and "on Mount Zion" (Obadiah 1:17 & Joel 2:32), those who keep the commandments. As for who would go through the "great tribulation", that would include the "elect" (Matthew 24:22). As for being "human", one must die to oneself, and be "born of God" and practice righteousness, or born of the devil, and practice "sin" (1 John 7-10). Relying on the "leaven"/hypocrisy of the false prophet Paul would not be a recommend path to follow (Matthew 7:13-15). As for "believing" in "Jesus", the meaning of "Jesus" would be "earth pig" when pronounced in Latin, which is the path of those who eat swine instead of the "bread of life", in which the name of the son of man per Revelation 19:13 is the "Word of God", which is the bread of life (Matthew 4:4). You seem to have missed the imagery of the last supper as well as the direct words of Jeremiah 31:31-33. I think your sandy foundation is looking not so good (Matthew 7:27).

[myth-one.com]

Yet, you have not been "saved" from the coming judgment . . .

According to the Bible, I will not face judgment.

For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order: Christ the first fruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. (I Corinthians 15:22-23)

Deceased Christians (they that are Christ's) will be resurrected at the Second Coming (at his coming).

Our deceased natural bodies are buried (or sown) and we will be resurrected with immortal spiritual bodies:

It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. (I Corinthians 15:44)

The second and permanent death in the lake of fire is the punishment for sin. But since spiritual bodies are immortal, death will no longer apply to resurrected spiritual bodied Christians. Spiritual bodied Christians can swim in the lake if they want to.

Actually, we will participate in the judgment by judging sinful angels:

1 Corinthians 6:3
Know ye not that we (believers) shall judge angels?

But that will occur a thousand years after the Second Coming.

So according to the Bible, Christians are safe from the judgment.

Do you agree that is what the Bible states?