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So, where do you stand as to whether it is present, future, or has both a present and a future aspect?Luke 16:
6 The Law and the Prophets were until John; since then the good news of the kingdom of God is preached, and everyone is being zealously urged into it.
Yes, we agree it hasn't happened yet.JehovahsWitness wrote: [Replying to post 472 by Checkpoint]
♦Well I was referring to the blessings of the coming time when the "meek shall inherit the (paradise)" earth. This is yet in the future, that's why I wrote the following ....
JehovahsWitness wrote:
Jehovah's Witnesses preach that ...That this blessing for the earth is sure to come!"the earth be so blessed ...Revelation 21:1-5
.♦I doubt if we will agree what God meant in Revelation 21:1-5 although I thought we might that it hasn't happened yet. .Checkpoint wrote: I mean by "the old order of things" whatever God meant in Revelation 21:1-5.
Yes, with and within believers.Monta wrote: [[url=http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/
Jesus had warned us not look for Christ here and there,
for the Kingdom of God is within you.
It has been with us and within us for past 2000 years.
Luke 8:1
After this Jesus traveled from one town and village to another
proclaiming the good news of the Kingdom of God.
Thank you for this answer, as requested.onewithhim wrote:We are living in the "last days," "harvest time," "the end time," as various scriptures refer to the time just before the Great Tribulation. We don't believe that we know exactly when---the day or the hour---the Great Tribulation will hit. We can only see the "season" that is apparently upon us. Jesus told us what to look for so we would know that we were getting close to the Great Trib....Matthew the 24th chapter.Checkpoint wrote:Tell me, then, briefly but clearly, what you JWs do say on that matter.onewithhim wrote:Where do we say that? I have never seen that.Checkpoint wrote:But you say that blessing comes 1000 years before the old order of things has passed away!JehovahsWitness wrote: Well I'm sure you will agree that ...
Do you think that will be good? If that were news would the above would be considered "Good News" or "Bad News"?...The dream will become reality when the old order of things... has passed away. Revelation 21:1-5
Jehovah's Witnesses preach that ...That this blessing for the earth is sure to come!"the earth be so blessed ...Revelation 21:1-5
After Jesus comes and gathers his 144,000 elect, all corrupt human institutions and wicked men will be done away with. Then the "great crowd" that survives Armageddon (which means the very end of the Great Tribulation) will be welcomed by God into a new beginning---a world where there is no hatred or suffering---and a fresh start for the earth to recover from the mishandling it has had for thousands of years, and a time that we call Jesus' Thousand-Year Reign.
???a new beginning---a world where there is no hatred or suffering---and a fresh start for the earth to recover from the mishandling it has had for thousands of years,
The bible wasn't originally divided into chapters, that's just a manmade concept. If you read on a little from where it speaks of the kings ruling your well see it also speaks of an end to tears and death and a period when the tent of God will be with mankind.Checkpoint wrote:
Where, in Revelation 20, are we told that the thousand years will be
???a new beginning---a world where there is no hatred or suffering---and a fresh start for the earth to recover from the mishandling it has had for thousands of years,
Yes, chapters are manmade, but the scriptures are God-made.JehovahsWitness wrote:The bible wasn't originally divided into chapters, that's just a manmade concept. If you read on a little from where it speaks of the kings ruling your well see it also speaks of an end to tears and death and a period when the tent of God will be with mankind.Checkpoint wrote:
Where, in Revelation 20, are we told that the thousand years will be
???a new beginning---a world where there is no hatred or suffering---and a fresh start for the earth to recover from the mishandling it has had for thousands of years,
I disagree. He was saying that the Kingdom was there in their midst, meaning HIMSELF as the King of that Kingdom that would take over the world some day. It was not something that was merely "an inward reality."Checkpoint wrote:Yes, with and within believers.Monta wrote: [[url=http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/
Jesus had warned us not look for Christ here and there,
for the Kingdom of God is within you.
It has been with us and within us for past 2000 years.
Luke 8:1
After this Jesus traveled from one town and village to another
proclaiming the good news of the Kingdom of God.
However, when Jesus said those words he was talking to the Pharisees, unbelievers.
Jesus used a word that can either be translated "within", "amongst", or "in the midst".
He was saying it was right there and they had missed it because they were looking for outward show rather than inward reality.
Just a little bit further, in Revelation chapter 21.Checkpoint wrote:Thank you for this answer, as requested.onewithhim wrote:We are living in the "last days," "harvest time," "the end time," as various scriptures refer to the time just before the Great Tribulation. We don't believe that we know exactly when---the day or the hour---the Great Tribulation will hit. We can only see the "season" that is apparently upon us. Jesus told us what to look for so we would know that we were getting close to the Great Trib....Matthew the 24th chapter.Checkpoint wrote:Tell me, then, briefly but clearly, what you JWs do say on that matter.onewithhim wrote:Where do we say that? I have never seen that.Checkpoint wrote:But you say that blessing comes 1000 years before the old order of things has passed away!JehovahsWitness wrote: Well I'm sure you will agree that ...
Do you think that will be good? If that were news would the above would be considered "Good News" or "Bad News"?...The dream will become reality when the old order of things... has passed away. Revelation 21:1-5
Jehovah's Witnesses preach that ...That this blessing for the earth is sure to come!"the earth be so blessed ...Revelation 21:1-5
After Jesus comes and gathers his 144,000 elect, all corrupt human institutions and wicked men will be done away with. Then the "great crowd" that survives Armageddon (which means the very end of the Great Tribulation) will be welcomed by God into a new beginning---a world where there is no hatred or suffering---and a fresh start for the earth to recover from the mishandling it has had for thousands of years, and a time that we call Jesus' Thousand-Year Reign.
Which has now sparked me to ask this question:
Where, in Revelation 20, are we told that the thousand years will be
???a new beginning---a world where there is no hatred or suffering---and a fresh start for the earth to recover from the mishandling it has had for thousands of years,
There is a lot of jumping around in the Scriptures. E.g., chapter 17 speaks of the Whore of Babylon being destroyed. Yet in chapter 18 there is an appeal to get out of her. Things aren't always in sequence in the Scriptures.Checkpoint wrote:Yes, chapters are manmade, but the scriptures are God-made.JehovahsWitness wrote:The bible wasn't originally divided into chapters, that's just a manmade concept. If you read on a little from where it speaks of the kings ruling your well see it also speaks of an end to tears and death and a period when the tent of God will be with mankind.Checkpoint wrote:
Where, in Revelation 20, are we told that the thousand years will be
???a new beginning---a world where there is no hatred or suffering---and a fresh start for the earth to recover from the mishandling it has had for thousands of years,
They tell us the thousand years ends before there is "an end to tears and death and a period when the tent of God will be with mankind."
