Did Jesus die on the fortieth day after Crucifixion?

paarsurrey1 · Post by **paarsurrey1** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 11:08 am

Jesus neither died on the Cross in Jerusalem nor after 40 days in Galilee. Right, please?
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Elijah John · Post by **Elijah John** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 10:16 pm

Most scholars agree on this at the very least. That Jesus was crucified by the Romans and died.

Beyond that, most Christians believe that Jesus also then rose from the dead.

Only Muslims seem to dispute that which is widely regarded as a fact of history, that Jesus died on the cross.

Checkpoint · Post by **Checkpoint** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 11:21 pm

paarsurrey1 wrote: Jesus neither died on the Cross in Jerusalem nor after 40 days in Galilee. Right, please?
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Who invented that story, I wonder?

paarsurrey1 · Post by **paarsurrey1** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 8:53 am

Elijah John wrote: Most scholars agree on this at the very least. That Jesus was crucified by the Romans and died.

Beyond that, most Christians believe that Jesus also then rose from the dead.

Only Muslims seem to dispute that which is widely regarded as a fact of history, that Jesus died on the cross.

Most scholars agree on this at the very least. That Jesus was crucified by the Romans and died.

Why trust such so called scholars, if they are proved wrong even from the clues in the NT, they base their arguments, please?

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paarsurrey1 · Post by **paarsurrey1** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 9:28 am

Checkpoint wrote:
paarsurrey1 wrote: Jesus neither died on the Cross in Jerusalem nor after 40 days in Galilee. Right, please?
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Post 14, thread "Did Jesus die on the Cross? "
Who invented that story, I wonder?

One many like to read post 17 by friend JP Cusick in the thread "Did Jesus die on the Cross?" in this connection to have a glimpse of it.
Debating Christianity and Religion Forum Index -> Non-Christian Religions and Philosophies.
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JP Cusick · Post by **JP Cusick** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 9:48 am

paarsurrey1 wrote: One many like to read post 17 by friend JP Cusick in the thread "Did Jesus die on the Cross?" in this connection to have a glimpse of it.
Debating Christianity and Religion Forum Index -> Non-Christian Religions and Philosophies.

You are just beating a dead subject as it was already satisfied.

It is not up to a vote or getting other opinions as it is done.

The Bible tells us that Jesus died (went up to heaven) 40 days after the crucifixion.

See here in Acts 1:3-9

QUOTE: " ... he shewed himself alive after his passion ... being seen of them forty days ... " KJV

He survived the cross but He was still severely injured, so 40 days is a long time in pain before He dies.

That settles it - that point is finished.

Elijah John · Post by **Elijah John** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 9:58 am

paarsurrey1 wrote:
Elijah John wrote: Most scholars agree on this at the very least. That Jesus was crucified by the Romans and died.

Beyond that, most Christians believe that Jesus also then rose from the dead.

Only Muslims seem to dispute that which is widely regarded as a fact of history, that Jesus died on the cross.

Most scholars agree on this at the very least. That Jesus was crucified by the Romans and died.
Why trust such so called scholars, if they are proved wrong even from the clues in the NT, they base their arguments, please?

Regards

Which clues from the NT indicate that Jesus never died on the cross? If you want to make your case, please....

I trust the scholars on this point because I see no reason to doubt them on this matter. And their conclusions are in harmony with probability and reason.*

It is not unreasonable to suppose that the Romans of the time would have crucified someone like Jesus, whom they perceived to be a threat to order.

By contrast, (though I am very sympathetic to Islamic monotheistic theology) I find the claims of Islam that it was Judas and not Jesus who was crucified, unconvincing to say the least.

Why would the Romans have crucified Judas and not Jesus?

(* also, a good portion of the scholars are atheists with no vested interest in the outcome of their research.)

The Deist Thomas Paine put it this way: It is not unreasonable for a person to believe that Jesus died on a Roman cross, quite another thing to believe that his death was an atonement for the sins of mankind. (paraphrase, or words to that effect.)

I need a better reason to believe it was Judas and not Jesus who died on the cross than "because the Quran says so".

paarsurrey1 · Post by **paarsurrey1** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 12:00 pm

Elijah John wrote:
paarsurrey1 wrote:
Elijah John wrote: Most scholars agree on this at the very least. That Jesus was crucified by the Romans and died.

Beyond that, most Christians believe that Jesus also then rose from the dead.

Only Muslims seem to dispute that which is widely regarded as a fact of history, that Jesus died on the cross.

Most scholars agree on this at the very least. That Jesus was crucified by the Romans and died.
Why trust such so called scholars, if they are proved wrong even from the clues in the NT, they base their arguments, please?

Regards
Which clues from the NT indicate that Jesus never died on the cross? If you want to make your case, please....

I trust the scholars on this point because I see no reason to doubt them on this matter. And their conclusions are in harmony with probability and reason.*

It is not unreasonable to suppose that the Romans of the time would have crucified someone like Jesus, whom they perceived to be a threat to order.

By contrast, (though I am very sympathetic to Islamic monotheistic theology) I find the claims of Islam that it was Judas and not Jesus who was crucified, unconvincing to say the least.

Why would the Romans have crucified Judas and not Jesus?

(* also, a good portion of the scholars are atheists with no vested interest in the outcome of their research.)

The Deist Thomas Paine put it this way: It is not unreasonable for a person to believe that Jesus died on a Roman cross, quite another thing to believe that his death was an atonement for the sins of mankind. (paraphrase, or words to that effect.)

I need a better reason to believe it was Judas and not Jesus who died on the cross than "because the Quran says so".

I find the claims of Islam that it was Judas and not Jesus who was crucified,

And one would be surprised that Judas is not even mentioned in Quran. One may like to quote the verse of Quran. It must be a wrong translation/interpretation, please.
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Elijah John · Post by **Elijah John** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 12:19 pm

[Replying to post 8 by paarsurrey1]

I don't think it's from the Quran, but Islamic tradition. Please correct me if I'm mistaken.

paarsurrey1 · Post by **paarsurrey1** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 12:46 pm

Elijah John wrote: [Replying to post 8 by paarsurrey1]

I don't think it's from the Quran, but Islamic tradition. Please correct me if I'm mistaken.

Yes, it has got nothing to do with Quran/Islam/Muhammad. It is just a wrong concept some people invented centuries after Muhammad.
Quran is the first and the foremost source of guidance whatever the denomination.
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