Paul frequently uses the term "in Christ" and often spoke of being "in Christ".
For debate, what does being "in Christ" mean?
And does that Pauline concept have any roots in the Synoptics or in the OT/Hebrew Bible?
If so, where?
Being "in Christ"?
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Being "in Christ"?
Post #1 My theological positions:
-God created us in His image, not the other way around.
-The Bible is redeemed by it's good parts.
-Pure monotheism, simple repentance.
-YHVH is LORD
-The real Jesus is not God, the real YHVH is not a monster.
-Eternal life is a gift from the Living God.
-Keep the Commandments, keep your salvation.
-I have accepted YHVH as my Heavenly Father, LORD and Savior.
I am inspired by Jesus to worship none but YHVH, and to serve only Him.
-God created us in His image, not the other way around.
-The Bible is redeemed by it's good parts.
-Pure monotheism, simple repentance.
-YHVH is LORD
-The real Jesus is not God, the real YHVH is not a monster.
-Eternal life is a gift from the Living God.
-Keep the Commandments, keep your salvation.
-I have accepted YHVH as my Heavenly Father, LORD and Savior.
I am inspired by Jesus to worship none but YHVH, and to serve only Him.
Re: Being "in Christ"?
Post #2OT is suited to the people of that age. As an example rituals. We can not comprehend the need for animal sacrifices etc.Elijah John wrote: Paul frequently uses the term "in Christ" and often spoke of being "in Christ".
For debate, what does being "in Christ" mean?
And does that Pauline concept have any roots in the Synoptics or in the OT/Hebrew Bible?
If so, where?
Being in Christ is being in His will - doing good and speaking truth.
By doing that we show love towards the Lord and love our neighbor.
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Excellent subject! However, the answer I will provide will come from the whole Bible, if a person accepts the whole Bible. Not just the parts they agree with. Paul didn't event the concept. He took the lead as an example.
To live 'In Christ', from my study of the Bible, is simply this: To live by Jesus' example and to listen and do the commandments he gave not only while on Earth but also the commandments he gave to his apostles to give to others after the ascension into Heaven. Jesus said that after he left them for his Heavenly home that Jesus would send God's Holy Spirit as a 'helper'. (John 16:7)
That means to limit oneself to only some synoptic pattern and/or only the Hebrew scriptures will not be able to live 'in Christ'. The Acts of the Apostles are extremely important. The whole Greek scriptures are important because it's the only in depth record of how people who had faith that Jesus was the Son of God lived their life. Not just living their lives as a normal people but one directly guided by Jesus Christ through angels and God's Holy Spirit.
To live 'In Christ', from my study of the Bible, is simply this: To live by Jesus' example and to listen and do the commandments he gave not only while on Earth but also the commandments he gave to his apostles to give to others after the ascension into Heaven. Jesus said that after he left them for his Heavenly home that Jesus would send God's Holy Spirit as a 'helper'. (John 16:7)
That means to limit oneself to only some synoptic pattern and/or only the Hebrew scriptures will not be able to live 'in Christ'. The Acts of the Apostles are extremely important. The whole Greek scriptures are important because it's the only in depth record of how people who had faith that Jesus was the Son of God lived their life. Not just living their lives as a normal people but one directly guided by Jesus Christ through angels and God's Holy Spirit.
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Re: Being "in Christ"?
Post #4Yes, but maybe not perfectly yet...Monta wrote:Being in Christ is being in His will - doing good and speaking truth.
By doing that we show love towards the Lord and love our neighbor.
I think that the legitimate children of GOD though still being chastised as sinful as in Heb 12:5-11 are 'in Christ'. To be a sheep is to be a member of His flock. To be gone astray is to be not in Christ but enslaved to sin. To come back into Christ is to be reborn, our free will returned to us and trained in righteousness to cure our memories of the pleasures and profits of sin.
To be Christ's means to be a believe already, ie, never condemned Jn 3:18, even it they are sinful, like the people of the kingdom on earth are called called the good seed though they are sinners under the promise of being gathered back into Him. To be in Him means the person has returned to their Shepherd....
PCE Theology as I see it...
We had an existence with a free will in Sheol before the creation of the physical universe. Here we chose to be able to become holy or to be eternally evil in YHWH's sight. Then the physical universe was created and all sinners were sent to earth.
This theology debunks the need to base Christianity upon the blasphemy of creating us in Adam's sin.
We had an existence with a free will in Sheol before the creation of the physical universe. Here we chose to be able to become holy or to be eternally evil in YHWH's sight. Then the physical universe was created and all sinners were sent to earth.
This theology debunks the need to base Christianity upon the blasphemy of creating us in Adam's sin.