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According to Jesus Christ's testimony as a credible expert witness in all matters pertaining to the afterlife; most of the world's responsible souls haven't been making it to safety when they cross over to the other side.

Luke 13:22-24 . . And he went through the cities and villages, teaching, and journeying toward Jerusalem. Then said one unto him, master, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them: Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.

Matt 7:13-14 . . Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

Matt 22:14 . . For many are called, but few are chosen.

Webster's defines "many" as consisting of, or amounting to, a large but indefinite number; while "few" is defined as consisting of, or amounting to, only a small number; viz: relative to many then, few is the lesser. Bear with me while I flesh this out.

According to the US Census Bureau: as of Sept 18, 2017 @ 11:36 pm New York Time, the resident population in the United States was approximately 325,908,667 with a death rate of approximately one every 12 seconds; which translates to an average of 7,200 American deaths of all ages, races, and genders during just one 24-hour calendar day.

According to 2009 US Census data; roughly 27.3% of America's daily deaths are under the age of 19, which would indicate that approximately 5,234 of the current daily death rate per 24 hours are adults.

Giving the "many" the benefit of the doubt by limiting their maximum percentage to 51%, would indicate a minimum of 2,670 American adults transferring to perdition every day: which translates to roughly 111 per hour.

That's a very conservative estimate as Christ didn't really specify exact percentages to represent the quantities of "few" and "many". But just think: by the time CBS completes its half hour evening news report, a bare-bones minimum of 55 Americans become new arrivals in the fiery sector of the netherworld.

Using the ratio of 2,670 condemned souls per 325,908,667 population: computing the number of condemned souls worldwide from a currently estimated global population of 7,422,223,068 people, would suggest something like 60,806 new arrivals in the fiery sector of the netherworld every 24 hours; which translates to approximately 2,534 souls every sixty minutes on the clock.

That rate would fill the 51,800 seats of the new Yankee Stadium to capacity in roughly 20 hours and 44 minutes. In other words: if the world's daily number of condemned souls started filing into the stadium at 06:00 am this morning, then by 02:44 am tomorrow, the stadium would be full to capacity.

Christmas and New Year are even worse. A study done of 26 years of death certificates shows that coronary fatalities are, on average, 11.9% higher on those days than any other days of the year; with non-heart deaths spiking to 12.2% higher.

Christianity's hell never closes; no, not at all: it's open for business 24/7/365 nonstop and indifferent to global warming, Wall Street crashes, massive layoffs, outsourcing, high school shootings, terrorism, tsunamis, earthquakes, hurricanes, storm surges, nuclear meltdowns, air, water, and soil pollution, a mission to Mars, freeway pile-ups, brown-outs, threatened species, the price of oil, student debt, GMO, trade deficits, protests, Federal debt, factory recalls, outsourcing, overpopulation, desertification, genocides, revolutions, civil wars, acid rain, road rage, oil spills, conscious decoupling, ISIS, LGBT marriage, Obamacare, blood diamonds, fracking, twerking, and/or President Donald Trump's tweets.

If Christianity's perception of Jesus Christ and the hereafter is correct; then it's apparent that souls never stop cascading into the abyss in an endless procession like the unbelievable millions of poultry broilers passing annually through Tyson chicken-processing plants on their way to Wendy's, McDonalds, Carl's Junior, Jack in the Box, Burger King, Chic-fil-A, KFC, A&W, Arby's, Dairy Queen, Taco Bell, et al; and to supermarkets and restaurants all over the USA and wherever else Tyson vends its meats. The slaughtering and the butchering never stop.
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Luke 16:27-29 . . I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my father's house, for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.

The five brothers would more than likely recognize Lazarus because he was laid at the rich man's gate; so that whenever they came over for a visit; there he'd be for them to walk past.

I can well imagine that the men would be fascinated by Lazarus' tale but not fascinated enough to make a difference because Abraham assured the rich man that his brothers wouldn't believe Lazarus; and honestly: who in their right mind would; especially a tale coming from a no-account indigent whose body covered with sores very likely wasn't even given a decent burial but instead dumped without ceremony in a landfill somewhere?


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The Lord wasn't looking for people's religion, nor was he looking for people's piety and/or conduct on Passover night. He was looking for just one thing, and one thing only: the blood.

That being the case, then had a Jewish family failed to apply the blood in the proper manner, their first-born son would've been slain. On the other hand; were an Egyptian family careful to apply the blood in the proper manner, their son would've been spared because the The Lord is neither biased nor prejudiced.

Along that same line; Jesus' blood will protect anybody and everybody who applies it in the proper manner because he died for all; no exceptions regardless of age, race, gender and/or religious preference. But many won't be protected by his blood, because they will neglect to apply it at all, let alone properly.


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Although church attendance is oftentimes thought of as worship, in reality it's not quite.

John 4:21 . . Jesus declared: Believe me, woman, a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem.

** Jerusalem is the Temple site-- the very hub of worship --yet Jesus ranks it below something far more important.

John 4:23 . . A time is coming, and has now come, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in Spirit and truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks.

The human spirit is inadequate for the level of worship Jesus spoke of, so; it's necessary to infuse folks with God's spirit in order to bring them up to speed, so to speak.

John 4:24 . . God is a Spirit: and they that worship Him must worship Him in Spirit and in truth.

Actually Jesus didn't introduce something new. The prophet Ezekiel predicted that very thing something like 500 years before Jesus was born.

"I will take you out of the nations; I will gather you from all the countries and bring you back into your own land. I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean; I will cleanse you from all your impurities and from all your idols. I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh. And I will put My spirit in you and move you to follow My decrees and be careful to keep My laws". (Ezek 36:24-27)


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Well, since my baby left me,
I found a new place to dwell.
It's down at the end of Lonely Street at
Heartbreak Hotel.

Although it's always crowded,
You still can find some room
For broken-hearted lovers
To cry there in their gloom.

That song, by Elvis Presley back in 1956, was very popular; and useful for depicting some of the conditions folks might expect in the netherworld should they end up on the wrong side of things. For example: just as Elvis' hotel always has a vacancy, so the netherworld too.

Prov 30:15-16 . . There are three things that will not be satisfied-- four that will not say, "Enough"

One of the four listed in that passage is Sheol, a.k.a. Hades which in Hellenistic culture spoke of the netherworld: a place in which all the dead were warehoused: both the good dead and the bad dead regardless of age, race, gender, or religious preference.

And then there's "cry there in their gloom"

Matt 13:40-42 . . As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; and shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.


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Heb 6:4-6 . . For it is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age, if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because to their loss they are crucifying the Son of God afresh and subjecting him to public disgrace.

We know that with God nothing is impossible. So, I think we have to acquiesce that the impossibility spoken of here is so because God has made it His mission in life, so to speak, to assure that folks blessed with the level of advantages spoken of here are never to be given an opportunity to reconsider-- ever. The die is cast. (e.g. Judas Iscariot)


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Heb 6:4-6 . . For it is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age, if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because to their loss they are crucifying the Son of God afresh and subjecting him to public disgrace.

We know that with God nothing is impossible. So, I think we have to acquiesce that the impossibility spoken of here is so because God has made it His mission in life, so to speak, to assure that folks blessed with the level of advantages spoken of here are never to be given an opportunity to reconsider-- ever. The die is cast; e.g. Judas Iscariot and the church that was once in Laodicia about whom Jesus said at Rev 3:15-17

"I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other! So, because you are lukewarm-- neither hot nor cold- -I am about to spit you out of my mouth."

According to Paul's letters, that church was once staffed by some very zealous folk. It's curious how it became so unbecoming.


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Matt 13:10 . . And the disciples came and said to him: Why do you speak to them in parables?

Matt 13:11 . . It is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

Jesus answered their inquiry by referring to an incident in the 6th chapter of Isaiah's prophecy wherein God had lost interest in numbers of His people because they had lost interest in Him.

The Jews' spiritual condition was little different in Jesus' day, i.e. many were called but few chosen, and that's because the many were indifferent; which is not the appropriate response.

1Sam 3:19 . .The Lord was with Samuel as he grew up, and he let none of His words fall to the ground.


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I'd imagine the hardest part about Heaven is not getting there, but staying there.

Some years ago it occurred to me that it's very easy for me to live in this world, but Heaven would require a level of piety and self control that I was pretty sure I couldn't keep up forever. Sooner or later I'd mess up and get thrown out. But if it were just as easy for me to live in Heaven as it is for me to live in this world, then for sure I'd never get thrown out of Heaven.

In other words: if only thinking, feeling, and acting like God came just as natural to me as thinking, feeling, and acting like a human; then that would be the cat's meow.


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FAQ: What is meant by soul?

REPLY: Soul began appearing in the Bible in the book of Genesis by the Hebrew word nephesh (neh'-fesh) which isn't unique to human life. Its first appearance is at Gen 1:20-21 in reference to aqua creatures and winged creatures; again at Gen 1:24 as terra creatures; viz: cattle, creepy crawlies, and wild beasts; and again in Gen 2:7 as the human creature; and yet again at Gen 9:10 to classify every living thing aboard Noah's ark.

** God is said to have a soul. (Lev 26:11, Lev 26:30, Judg 10:16, Isa 42:1, Jer 32:41, and Zech 11:8)

Soul is somewhat ambiguous but basically refers to consciousness, self awareness, and individuality. It's sometimes a reference to one's heart, e.g. Gen 34:3, and to the core of one's being, e.g. Gen 27:4.

All in all, soul is just another way of referring to that part of sentient life that we call "self" which can be roughly defined as the element of our existence that makes us unique.

Jesus' followers can expect to retain their souls when they pass on, but things are not looking good for the lost. According to Matt 10:28, people's souls survive normal death, but do not survive Hell fire.


NOTE: Apparently the rich man of Luke 16:19-31 wasn't in the Hell fire yet when he spoke with Abraham because he's depicted as completely sentient.

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Deut 34:5-6 . . Moses the servant of The Lord died there in the land of Moab, according to the word of The Lord. And He buried him in the valley in the land of Moab, opposite Beth-peor; but no man knows his burial place to this day.

A very curious scene unfolded during Moses' burial. The Devil argued with Michael the archangel about Moses' body. (Jude 9)

It's been suggested that the Devil objected to secrecy. In other words; it's possible that he wanted Moses' body enshrined in a sort of Church of the Holy Sepulcher where the Jews could be lured into idolatry by adoring Moses' remains as a sacred relic. That's actually a very plausible suggestion. For example: there's a statue of the apostle Peter in Rome whose big toe has been eroded over the years by the lips of pilgrims kissing it. (cf. 2Kings 18:4)

Anyway; if the Devil would interfere with the burial of a holy man like Moses, then I think we can safely assume he (or one of his minions) probably interferes with the burials of ordinary folk too; and I should think the smartest way for him to interfere is to ensure the minister comes out with nothing useful in his eulogy; but instead with the usual mushy rhetoric by which nobody hearing it can be moved to consider their afterlife prospects. (Just goes to show that the Devil is not above walking over the bones of the dead to get what he wants.)


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