Jesus did not declare Paul a trust-worthy person. Did he, please?
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Jesus did not declare Paul a trust-worthy person. Did he?
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Re: Jesus did not declare Paul a trust-worthy person. Did he
Post #2He didn't declare him trustworthy or untrustworthy.paarsurrey1 wrote: Jesus did not declare Paul a trust-worthy person. Did he, please?
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However, he did say this:
Acts 9:
15 But the Lord said to Ananias, “Go! This man [Paul] is my chosen instrument to proclaim my name to the Gentiles and their kings and to the people of Israel.
16 I will show him how much he must suffer for my name.�
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Re: Jesus did not declare Paul a trust-worthy person. Did he
Post #3That is completely a matter of faith. Something uttered by the "risen Christ" in a vision, and not by the flesh and blood (whom Paul never met) historical, "pre-Easter" Jesus.Checkpoint wrote:He didn't declare him trustworthy or untrustworthy.paarsurrey1 wrote: Jesus did not declare Paul a trust-worthy person. Did he, please?
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However, he did say this:
Acts 9:
15 But the Lord said to Ananias, “Go! This man [Paul] is my chosen instrument to proclaim my name to the Gentiles and their kings and to the people of Israel.
16 I will show him how much he must suffer for my name.�
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Re: Jesus did not declare Paul a trust-worthy person. Did he
Post #4That's what believers do, walk by faith, not by sight.Elijah John wrote:That is completely a matter of faith. Something uttered by the "risen Christ" in a vision, and not by the flesh and blood (whom Paul never met) historical, "pre-Easter" Jesus.Checkpoint wrote:He didn't declare him trustworthy or untrustworthy.paarsurrey1 wrote: Jesus did not declare Paul a trust-worthy person. Did he, please?
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However, he did say this:
Acts 9:
15 But the Lord said to Ananias, “Go! This man [Paul] is my chosen instrument to proclaim my name to the Gentiles and their kings and to the people of Israel.
16 I will show him how much he must suffer for my name.�
Visions are a part of that, and an integral part of scripture and of how God sometimes chooses to speak.
Numbers 12:6
He said, "Hear now My words: If there is a prophet among you, I, YHVH, shall make Myself known to him in a vision. I shall speak with him in a dream".
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Come on EJ - what else apart from the Bible do you want checkpoint to use....
Jesus never said anything about nearly all his followers so does that mean anything at all?
Oh I can't trust X Jesus didn't say they are trustworthy .... the question is asinine.
Jesus never said anything about nearly all his followers so does that mean anything at all?
Oh I can't trust X Jesus didn't say they are trustworthy .... the question is asinine.
Proverbs 18:17 The one who states his case first seems right, until the other comes and examines him.
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Re: Jesus did not declare Paul a trust-worthy person. Did he
Post #6Checkpoint wrote:He didn't declare him trustworthy or untrustworthy.paarsurrey1 wrote: Jesus did not declare Paul a trust-worthy person. Did he, please?
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However, he did say this:
Acts 9:
15 But the Lord said to Ananias, “Go! This man [Paul] is my chosen instrument to proclaim my name to the Gentiles and their kings and to the people of Israel.
16 I will show him how much he must suffer for my name.�
Do you think we can discern anything to do with Jesus attitude toward Paul from those words?
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Never said here that Paul wasn't trustworthy, just sayin' it's a matter of faith. Not something the historical Jesus ever said. Anything "post Easter" is a matter of faith. I think some apologists err when they give historical weight to anything the "risen Christ" is said to have said and equate those things to what the historical, flesh and blood Jesus is likely to have said.Wootah wrote: Come on EJ - what else apart from the Bible do you want checkpoint to use....
Jesus never said anything about nearly all his followers so does that mean anything at all?
Oh I can't trust X Jesus didn't say they are trustworthy .... the question is asinine.
My theological positions:
-God created us in His image, not the other way around.
-The Bible is redeemed by it's good parts.
-Pure monotheism, simple repentance.
-YHVH is LORD
-The real Jesus is not God, the real YHVH is not a monster.
-Eternal life is a gift from the Living God.
-Keep the Commandments, keep your salvation.
-I have accepted YHVH as my Heavenly Father, LORD and Savior.
I am inspired by Jesus to worship none but YHVH, and to serve only Him.
-God created us in His image, not the other way around.
-The Bible is redeemed by it's good parts.
-Pure monotheism, simple repentance.
-YHVH is LORD
-The real Jesus is not God, the real YHVH is not a monster.
-Eternal life is a gift from the Living God.
-Keep the Commandments, keep your salvation.
-I have accepted YHVH as my Heavenly Father, LORD and Savior.
I am inspired by Jesus to worship none but YHVH, and to serve only Him.
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It's all "a matter of faith", EJ.Elijah John wrote:Never said here that Paul wasn't trustworthy, just sayin' it's a matter of faith. Not something the historical Jesus ever said. Anything "post Easter" is a matter of faith. I think some apologists err when they give historical weight to anything the "risen Christ" is said to have said and equate those things to what the historical, flesh and blood Jesus is likely to have said.Wootah wrote: Come on EJ - what else apart from the Bible do you want checkpoint to use....
Jesus never said anything about nearly all his followers so does that mean anything at all?
Oh I can't trust X Jesus didn't say they are trustworthy .... the question is asinine.
"Post-Easter" and before that, including the Tanakh, including the prophets.
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Some things in the Bible are more a matter of faith alone than others, and need to be taken that way.Checkpoint wrote:It's all "a matter of faith", EJ.Elijah John wrote:Never said here that Paul wasn't trustworthy, just sayin' it's a matter of faith. Not something the historical Jesus ever said. Anything "post Easter" is a matter of faith. I think some apologists err when they give historical weight to anything the "risen Christ" is said to have said and equate those things to what the historical, flesh and blood Jesus is likely to have said.Wootah wrote: Come on EJ - what else apart from the Bible do you want checkpoint to use....
Jesus never said anything about nearly all his followers so does that mean anything at all?
Oh I can't trust X Jesus didn't say they are trustworthy .... the question is asinine.
"Post-Easter" and before that, including the Tanakh, including the prophets.
Other things, (like the pre Easter stuff) have a more rational basis, such as the ethic of reciprocity, the Golden Rule the Ten Commandments, etc.
HJ scholars rely more on the pre-Easter accounts when seeking to uncover the real, historic Jesus. The post-Easter stuff is really "only" the "Christ of Faith". Beyond reason, not necessarily untrue, but simply unverifiable as likely by historical, archeological and academic methods.
The things that are matters of faith alone should not be imposed on others, and it should never be assumed that people with different religious beliefs are not also with God simply because they differ with orthodoxy, or with one's opinion.
General statement, not necessarily directed at you.
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My theological positions:
-God created us in His image, not the other way around.
-The Bible is redeemed by it's good parts.
-Pure monotheism, simple repentance.
-YHVH is LORD
-The real Jesus is not God, the real YHVH is not a monster.
-Eternal life is a gift from the Living God.
-Keep the Commandments, keep your salvation.
-I have accepted YHVH as my Heavenly Father, LORD and Savior.
I am inspired by Jesus to worship none but YHVH, and to serve only Him.
-God created us in His image, not the other way around.
-The Bible is redeemed by it's good parts.
-Pure monotheism, simple repentance.
-YHVH is LORD
-The real Jesus is not God, the real YHVH is not a monster.
-Eternal life is a gift from the Living God.
-Keep the Commandments, keep your salvation.
-I have accepted YHVH as my Heavenly Father, LORD and Savior.
I am inspired by Jesus to worship none but YHVH, and to serve only Him.
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Re: Jesus did not declare Paul a trust-worthy person. Did he
Post #10Checkpoint wrote:He didn't declare him trustworthy or untrustworthy.paarsurrey1 wrote: Jesus did not declare Paul a trust-worthy person. Did he, please?
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However, he did say this:
Acts 9:
15 But the Lord said to Ananias, “Go! This man [Paul] is my chosen instrument to proclaim my name to the Gentiles and their kings and to the people of Israel.
16 I will show him how much he must suffer for my name.�
, “Go! This man [Paul] is my chosen instrument to proclaim my name to the Gentiles and their kings and to the people of Israel.Acts 9:
15 But the Lord said to Ananias
16 I will show him how much he must suffer for my name.�[/quote]
This is again not told by Jesus but reported by Paul, not even written, reported and confirmed by Ananias. Right, please?
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