Satan asks God for forgiveness, now what?

[Willum]

So we have moved beyond rationalizations that Satan can't do that, he has free-will, and is supposedly smarter than you.

So Satan asks God for forgiveness.
What happens?

Does all that prophesy go away?
Are those people in Hell forgiven?
Would Satan be forgiven?

So many questions.

[Claire Evans]

Prophecy in Revelation says Satan and the false prophet will be thrown in the lake of fire where they will be tormented forever. Thus Satan asking God for forgiveness is impossible and would never happen.

Only if you believe that the prophecy is accurate, but it's been over 2000 years now and it still hasn't happened. Well past its use-by date, that one.

That's because it is prophecy that has yet to be fulfilled.

I call it prophesy well past its use-by date. I'm sure St Paul would too if he were alive today.

The prophecy of Revelation was written after Paul died. If it was as prophecy meant for Paul's life-time, Revelation wouldn't have that prophecy.

It was not a prophecy meant to be applied back then. No one has yet to be marked in the hand or forehead in order to buy or sell. That is a prophecy yet to be fulfilled.

Be careful not to take Revelations too literally. It was most likely talking about Tefillin which has been going on for centuries and still is:

Interesting, but it does not fit the prophecy. One can still buy and sell without wearing the Tefillin. It cannot refer to this as it is not a prophecy. The tefillin is worn to pay homage to God, not the Beast.

Revelation 13

15The second beast was permitted to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that the image would also speak and cause all who refused to worship it to be killed. 16And the second beast required all people small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their forehead, 17so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark—the name of the beast or the number of its name.…

Trying to use bible prophesies to predict what should be happening in the future is a fruitless task because it is way too open to interpretation. Even Paul believed that the end times were happening when he was alive, so if he was wrong, why would I take a stranger on the Internet seriously?

Looking at the Bible prophecies alone is not going to help. That is why I look for other sources to corroborate it.

The signs are already there. Here is an example:

"Three Square Market, a vending company in Wisconsin, has implanted over 50 of its employees with a microchip inserted between their thumb and forefinger, and into their right hand. Three Square Market V.P. Tony Danna said that the benefit for the employees to receive the implant is “convenience.�

Mr. Danna also admitted that the ultimate goal of his company is to “eliminate the wallet.� The microchips will allow employees to open locked doors, activate machinery, and buy snacks. Three Square Market already has vending machines in place that require only a fingerprint to make purchases but their ultimate goal is to require an implant in the right hand in order to buy their products."

17so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark—the name of the beast or the number of its name.…

Really talk of the end times is irrelevant. We have a hypothetical question being presented to us. It makes no difference whether it's a realistic scenario or not. What is very telling when we look at a hypothetical question like this, is just what it tells us about the god of the bible in this situation. It presents some real problems, so I can understand why you don't want to entertain the question.

This hypothetical discussion is not bound by bible prophecies.

Talking about end times has relevance. It is showing the nature of the devil. That is a creature who wants complete enslavement. How can a hypothesis which cannot ever be considered because it is impossible be problematic to Christianity?

But there is no answer to the hypothetical question because it is impossible it will ever happen. It could never even be considered a scenario.

Of course it can. That's the beauty of hypothetical scenarios. And as you can see we are now up to page 8 of discussion on this. Members here have quite successfully discussed this scenario at length.

Because they don't know the true nature of Satan.

It's completely irrelevant whether it is possible or not. If it were possible, we can make certain presumptions based on what the bible tells us about God and forgiveness. We can then see some real problems with what the bible teaches. Of course many believers do not wish to acknowledge the problems.

Since it is impossible, how do we use the Bible to support that it may be true? Jesus is talking about forgiving those who are truly repentant. Those who have the capability to repent, not the devil and demons which cannot possibly do so. Where in the Bible does it say that Satan has the opportunity to repent?

If one truly knew the nature of Satan, they couldn't even postulate this hypothetical question.

If there really was a Satan and one really did know the nature of Satan they would be an international celebrity.

Nonsense. You can know the nature of Satan when he makes himself known to you. He is not just some far away figure. You can also see the nature of Satan in others. Like spite, sadism, rage when not getting their way, etc.

It's ironic to me that you won't entertain what you see as an impossible scenario but yet are so willing to entertain scenarios about Satan and evil that is also impossible.

If one can delve into the realms of fantasy with angels, demons and the like, why not into the realms of fantasy about Satan asking for forgiveness?

How can you say that it is impossible what I say about Satan? Do you think evil is just a fantasy?

Any hypothetical scenario is possible to be conjured up and discussed when one is willing to stretch their imagination a little and not be bound in their thinking. As you can see here in 8 pages of discussion, many of us have already been able to postulate this scenario based on what the bible tells us about God and his ability to forgive. Are you saying you can't? Or is it more that you won't?

I haven't looked at all the comments but I'm wondering if they realize that some things cannot be forgiven:

Mark 3:29

but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; they are guilty of an eternal sin."

[Claire Evans]

So we have moved beyond rationalizations that Satan can't do that, he has free-will, and is supposedly smarter than you.

So Satan asks God for forgiveness.
What happens?

Does all that prophesy go away?
Are those people in Hell forgiven?
Would Satan be forgiven?

So many questions.

Prophecy in Revelation says Satan and the false prophet will be thrown in the lake of fire where they will be tormented forever. Thus Satan asking God for forgiveness is impossible and would never happen.

I think people miscontrue the nature of Satan. The chance of Satan repenting is like the chance God will turn to evil. Zero %

Prophecy in Revelation says Satan and the false prophet will be thrown in the lake of fire where they will be tormented forever. Thus Satan asking God for forgiveness is impossible and would never happen.

Think about if for a moment Claire. Satan's fate is spelled out in the Bible. He certainly knows what it is. All he has to do is genuinely repent and in one fell swoop he would save himself from an eternity of torment, AND prove the Word of God wrong. But according to you he will never do that. Instead he continues on like the good soldier he was created to be, so that God cannot be proven fallible.

You can't undo a prophecy. It is set out in stone. You contradicted yourself. You said all he has to do is genuinely repent so to spitefully prove God was wrong. That's impossible. You can't hate God and genuinely repent. Saying sorry is not the same as being remorseful.

If God was created to be good, it would be impossible for him to hate God. God did not create him.

I think people miscontrue the nature of Satan. The chance of Satan repenting is like the chance God will turn to evil. Zero %

Let's think this over for a bit. First, Satan does not have a book, so we never get to hear his side of things. All we have to go on concerning Satan is what the Bible, God's side of things, tell us about Satan. Or what people have decided that the Bible tells us about Satan, which is actually very different. [/quote]

We don't need a book to know Satan's "side of things". Jesus said that Satan was a liar and murderer from the start.

John 8:44

You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

So, no, he was never a good little soldier for God.

But even the Bible only details Satan being involved in the murder of Job's children. And to do that he first get's God's permission. God on the other hand repeatedly ordered that thousands of helpless men and women, children and babies, should be hacked to death with swords. On one occasion God drowns every non aquatic species on the entire planet, except for the residents of a very large boat, in a fit of pique. Unless you can name something more evil that chopping babies to death with swords, God is far ahead of Satan on the evil scale.

Isaiah 45:
[7] I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. [kjv]

God creates evil! God is the SOURCEof evil. God created Satan to being evil into the world. Perhaps you should give some thought to which side you are really on.

Or maybe what you should really do is give some thought to just how silly this entire belief system actually is! Maybe the reason Biblical prophecy has a record of accuracy that currently stands at zero for two thousand years, is because it was never anything but ancient superstitious silliness in the first place.

I see you have skipped to the OT which has nothing to do with Jesus. The Jews have a different view on Satan. They believe he is an agent of God who provides spiritual refinement through adversity. That is not what Jesus said about Satan.

Yahweh is not the Father. He was a pagan god, the god of war, who fought for the Israelites. He was a physical being who interacted with people. The OT is full of paganism and extraterrestrial beings. They have no qualms with massacring people.

I need to correct you on Isaiah 45. Evil means calamity in Hebrew.

http://biblehub.com/hebrew/7451b.htm


What did Jesus do to support the nature of Yahweh in the OT?

Why do you assume the prophecy in Revelation was applicable back then? Consider it is a prophecy that needs to play out 2000 years later.

[Claire Evans]

There is no chance of Satan seeking redemption so we can't hypothesise a different scenario. Can be hypothesize that one day pigs may fly with wings sprouting from their sides? Absolutely not because it is impossible for that to happen.

Of course we can hypothesize a scenario where pigs can fly. It matters not if it's possible or not. Every fantasy writer throughout history has been able to hypothesize impossible scenarios. We have thousands and thousands of famous books and movies, many of which present impossible scenarios. People make millions out of it.

People have also made millions out of creating religions and coming up with impossible scenarios that just can't possibly be true. The bible itself is full of impossible scenarios that have been discussed and debated for centuries. IN fact on this website alone you have hundreds of non-believers taking part in hypothetical debates about things they see as impossible like Noah's Ark, Dead bodies rising from the dead and all sorts. Right now we non-believers are taking the hypothetical view that there really is a god and really is a devil. Many of us see the existence of God and Satan as impossible, but that doesn't stop us discussing it or imagining those scenarios to be real so that we can discuss them.

Some people may not have much of an imagination so find it hard to hypothesize, but just as many of us are not bound by such a handicap.

Here, I have started a thread on the topic of flying pigs. My opening post alone already creates this hypothetical scenario and even starts of with some questions relating to it. See how easy it is to hypothesize?
viewtopic.php?p=892093#892093

You do not know that God and Satan are in a league of their own. There can never be variables to them.

[Justin108]

So we have moved beyond rationalizations that Satan can't do that, he has free-will, and is supposedly smarter than you.

So Satan asks God for forgiveness.
What happens?

Does all that prophesy go away?
Are those people in Hell forgiven?
Would Satan be forgiven?

So many questions.

Prophecy in Revelation says Satan and the false prophet will be thrown in the lake of fire where they will be tormented forever. Thus Satan asking God for forgiveness is impossible and would never happen.

I think people miscontrue the nature of Satan. The chance of Satan repenting is like the chance God will turn to evil. Zero %

So Satan doesn't have free will?

What's it got to do with free will? We most certainly is getting his way in this world.

If Satan cannot make a choice, then he does not have free will.

[Willum]

[Replying to post 80 by Claire Evans]

But it had already been determined that Satan can ask for forgiveness - if you would like to further contest this:
viewtopic.php?t=33307

Otherwise:

I actually do know the mind of Satan. Yes, he makes it very obvious to those who love Jesus who he really is. How can a being who hates Jesus ever repent? How can the source of all evil be repentant? In order to repent, there needs a person to have a conscious and acknowledge that they have sinned.

Is there a verse in the Bible that says Satan's nature can change?

How can a child who has grown to hate their parent repent?
God is the source of all evil, ToN already quoted the verse.
Satan knows that he has sinned - either way, he simply has a different view on the matter. Just because one state has a law, and another doesn't doesn't mean you aren't aware of the law.

But none of these are Bible verses, and only tell me how desperate the entire religion is to have a villain that can't change.

As to me quoting the Bible:
Easily done - if we start with his nature, Lord of Lies - lies are designed to enact change, as John 8:44 and in Genesis 3:4-5.

It does not seem to occur to you that his every act in Revelation is an opportunity for change, not even just his nature, or penitence, but how he conducts his campaign against the All-Mighty. Revelation states his battle plan.
Matthew 6:13 temptation is a choice.

It goes on and on.

So, please, now make your point with something solid, not your desires.

Claire Evans wrote

Because they don't know the true nature of Satan.

Only those allied with Satan could possibly know his mind, and you do claim to understand him.
How does that work?

[Tired of the Nonsense]

[Replying to Claire Evans]

You can't undo a prophecy. It is set out in stone. You contradicted yourself. You said all he has to do is genuinely repent so to spitefully prove God was wrong. That's impossible. You can't hate God and genuinely repent. Saying sorry is not the same as being remorseful.

I said genuinely repent. But if he did that, it would prove the Word of God wrong.

What happens when prophecy proves to be flat out wrong? The prophecy in Ezekiel 29-30 for example, indicates that Nebuchadnezzar would utterly destroy Egypt, leaving it barren and desolate. But it never happened. Nebuchadnezzar died in 562 BC, and Egypt continued on in in considerable prosperity for several more centuries. Nebuchadnezzar has been dead for 2,500 years now. He can NEVER destroy Egypt. Now THAT, is what being set in stone really means.

If God was created to be good, it would be impossible for him to hate God. God did not create him.

God was CREATED? What God created God? Is there an entirely unbroken line of creator God's stretching back into infinity?

We don't need a book to know Satan's "side of things". Jesus said that Satan was a liar and murderer from the start.

John 8:44

You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

Actually whoever wrote Gospel John wrote this quote. Jesus wrote NOTHING, so you have to simply assume on faith that you know anything about what Jesus actually said. But then, every part of your belief system is based in an interconnecting system of assumptions. Assumptions which have no apparent basis in physical reality. Which allows you to more or less make this stuff up to suit you. Like an infinite regression of creator God's.

I see you have skipped to the OT which has nothing to do with Jesus. The Jews have a different view on Satan. They believe he is an agent of God who provides spiritual refinement through adversity. That is not what Jesus said about Satan.

In the OT Satan was a minion of God; God's prosecutor. It was Satan's job to point out the flaws in humankind. And again, in the NT we only have what others tell us that Jesus said, many years after Jesus was dead. The figure of Satan in the NT is much closer to the evil opponent of the Persian wise lord Ahura Mazda. No such opponent to YHWH exists in the OT.

Yahweh is not the Father. He was a pagan god, the god of war, who fought for the Israelites. He was a physical being who interacted with people. The OT is full of paganism and extraterrestrial beings. They have no qualms with massacring people.

The Jewish creator god Yahweh seems to have developed from the Babylonian creator god Elyon, or El Elyon (el�hīm). This was the god most high of Abraham. Elyon had many sons, known as Baal's, (Baal = Lord). Is Elyon the creator god you worship? In Sumerian culture god most high was known as Anu. Which of these gods do you worship?

I need to correct you on Isaiah 45. Evil means calamity in Hebrew.

Calamity means calamity in Hebrew (�ָסוֹן ). Evil means evil (רוע - ro). The word used in the original text is "evil."

Hebrew Interlinear Bible (OT)
Isa 45:7
"I Yahweh and·there-is-no further one-forming light and·one-creating darkness one-makingdo well-being and·one-creating evil (רָ ע - ro) I Yahweh one-makingdo all-of these"

http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInte ... /isa45.pdf

The original word that was chosen to be used in the passage was EVIL, not calamity. That God is connected with evil conflicts with Christian doctrine however. So Christians have simply redefined the word to suit their doctrine.

Why do you assume the prophecy in Revelation was applicable back then? Consider it is a prophecy that needs to play out 2000 years later.

Why 2,000 years later? Why not 4,000 years later? Or 10,000 years later? But that would make everyone alive today less significant wouldn't it? Like the billions that were born and died during the last 2,000 foolishly believing that they were living in the end times. But of course the end is near NOW. In fact the end has been near NOW for the last 2,000 years. And yet here we all still are.

[OnceConvinced]

Is there a verse in the Bible that says Satan's nature can change?

Is there one that says he can't?

The prophecy of Revelation was written after Paul died. If it was as prophecy meant for Paul's life-time, Revelation wouldn't have that prophecy.

Irrelevant. Paul was convinced he was living in the last days. One of the founders of Christianity was completely and hopelessly wrong. That does not bode well for any NT prophecies, Revelations included.

Re Tefflin

Interesting, but it does not fit the prophecy. One can still buy and sell without wearing the Tefillin. It cannot refer to this as it is not a prophecy. The tefillin is worn to pay homage to God, not the Beast.

Tefillin was clearly what they were talking about. The number is about putting the law on ones forehead and this is what they were doing... literarily!. No need to conjure up any other scenario.

A prophecy was stated that it would need to be used for buying and selling. If that is a prophecy still to be fulfilled, then why could it not be Tefillin? Is it a far stretch to believe that someone may make a law that you have to be wearing tefillin before you can buy and sell?

The fact that nobody has yet suggests a failed prophecy to me.

The thing is, there will never be a numbering system like the one Christians expect, at least not a compulsory on that everyone in the world will have to take. No one would tolerate it. In this day and age everyone is way too paranoid about health risks and governments would dare not try to force it upon us because they know that many religious folk would be against it. It will only ever be something that people take voluntarily and there is no need to see it as some number of the beast.

Even if you want to claim that a dictator is going to take control and demand we all take it, that won't happen either. The modern world does not tolerate overt dictators. Just look at how the world hates guys like Saddam Hussein, Idi Amin, Hitler, Stalin. Overt dictatorships may have worked in bible times, but not anymore.

Another thing modern society no longer tolerates is Capital punishment. We are moving further and further away from that, not closer, so the people would never tolerate executions for something as ridiculous as refusing to take a number.

Revelation 13

15The second beast was permitted to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that the image would also speak and cause all who refused to worship it to be killed. 16And the second beast required all people small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their forehead, 17so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark—the name of the beast or the number of its name.…

You can put whatever spin you want on it. However other Christians have a different spin. My spin as a Christian was that the number system was a spiritual number.

There is no way we are going to see such a numbering system made compulsory any time in the near future. It would just never work. There would just be way too much opposition, especially amongst Christians, who governments still want to try to please.

Looking at the Bible prophecies alone is not going to help.

Indeed. One has to conjure up all sorts of other stuff too. People have been doing it since I was a kid and since my father was a kid. It's nothing new. One thing they all have in common is they were all completely wrong.

That is why I look for other sources to corroborate it.

I gave up with that futile approach years ago even while a Christian. I realised it was futile.

The signs are already there.

The signs have always been here. They have been here since I was a kid and since my father was a kid and since his father was a kid. The signs have been there since St Paul was around, which was why he was convinced Jesus's return was eminent.

"Three Square Market, a vending company in Wisconsin, has implanted over 50 of its employees with a microchip inserted between their thumb and forefinger, and into their right hand. Three Square Market V.P. Tony Danna said that the benefit for the employees to receive the implant is “convenience.�

This is not new. This type of thing has been going on for a long time now, but there is no way it's going to get to the situation where we all have to take a number. It would not be tolerated. If it ever did happen it won't be in the life time of you and I, that's for sure.

And even if it did happen, that does not mean its a fulfilment of biblical prophecy.

Mr. Danna also admitted that the ultimate goal of his company is to “eliminate the wallet.� The microchips will allow employees to open locked doors, activate machinery, and buy snacks. Three Square Market already has vending machines in place that require only a fingerprint to make purchases but their ultimate goal is to require an implant in the right hand in order to buy their products."

I have been hearing this sort of stuff since I was a kid (and so has my dad). I have learnt not to take these things seriously.

Talking about end times has relevance. It is showing the nature of the devil. That is a creature who wants complete enslavement. How can a hypothesis which cannot ever be considered because it is impossible be problematic to Christianity?

Read this entire thread from the beginning and you will see. Putting you hands over your eyes saying "It's not possible, it's not possible" won't achieve that and all you will be doing is attempting to derail this thread.

Of course it can. That's the beauty of hypothetical scenarios. And as you can see we are now up to page 8 of discussion on this. Members here have quite successfully discussed this scenario at length.

Because they don't know the true nature of Satan.

Irrelevant. The fact is that we have discussed this hypothetical scenario at length without even having to believe in Satan.

Since it is impossible, how do we use the Bible to support that it may be true?

Nobody is trying to support it as true. That's why it's a hypothetical scenario. We are asking if it WERE to be true then what about... ... ... ...

Many more questions are then asked. Thinking about those questions reveals many other problems with Christian doctrine that wouldn't have been considered otherwise.

Jesus is talking about forgiving those who are truly repentant. Those who have the capability to repent, not the devil and demons which cannot possibly do so.

Where in the bible does it say this?

Where in the Bible does it say that Satan has the opportunity to repent?

Where does it say he doesn't?

Nonsense. You can know the nature of Satan when he makes himself known to you. He is not just some far away figure. You can also see the nature of Satan in others.

How can an impossible being make himself known to anyone? I don't believe in Satan, yet as shown by my posts on this thread I can discuss him as if he is real, even though I'd say your ideas about Satan are impossible.

Like spite, sadism, rage when not getting their way, etc.

Evil super beings are not needed for this. But you and I have already discussed this enough in previous threads.

How can you say that it is impossible what I say about Satan?

Because such a being existing makes no logical sense and for him to be able to do what you claims is quite impossible for something that is simply just a fallen angel.

Do you think evil is just a fantasy?

Evil is real, but it comes from human nature, mental illnesses and natural problems with brain functionality. Speak to any psychiatrist and they can tell you how some people are not able to connect with certain parts of their brains, which is what causes many of the things you mention. The brain is not a perfect machine. It is a very fragile thing rife with potential problems, which is why we see so many of those things you mention in humanity. One slight little thing goes wrong in the womb and parts of the brain don't develop as they should. We would expect to see more problems from one generation to the next as the gene pool deteriorates, which is why it may seem to you that the world is worse now than it was say 50 years ago. Of course it is worse because people with problems are reproducing and carrying those bad genes forward.

Evolution (or God if you wish) has not produced the perfect machine when it comes to the human brain. It is a very flimsy piece of machinery that can easily break down and not work properly. Even your average human is likely to have some part of their brain which doesn't work as it should, because it does not connect correctly.

Evil only becomes fantasy when you start bringing in evil super beings. There is absolutely no need at all to conjure up demons and other evil creatures to explain evil.

I haven't looked at all the comments but I'm wondering if they realize that some things cannot be forgiven:

Mark 3:29

but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; they are guilty of an eternal sin."

To blaspheme the holy spirit one must have first been filled with the holy spirit. Was Satan ever once filled with the holy spirit? If not, then he can't blaspheme it.

[Claire Evans]

So we have moved beyond rationalizations that Satan can't do that, he has free-will, and is supposedly smarter than you.

So Satan asks God for forgiveness.
What happens?

Does all that prophesy go away?
Are those people in Hell forgiven?
Would Satan be forgiven?

So many questions.

Prophecy in Revelation says Satan and the false prophet will be thrown in the lake of fire where they will be tormented forever. Thus Satan asking God for forgiveness is impossible and would never happen.

I think people miscontrue the nature of Satan. The chance of Satan repenting is like the chance God will turn to evil. Zero %

So Satan doesn't have free will?

What's it got to do with free will? We most certainly is getting his way in this world.

If Satan cannot make a choice, then he does not have free will.

You think Satan's actions are the result of him choosing to do evil through free will that God gave? Does Satan give God free will? No. They are very powerful entities in their own right. Satan doesn't have lesser powers to God in the sense that he is omniscient and omnipresent. He doesn't need God's permission but he is not a creation of God's.

[Claire Evans]

[Replying to post 80 by Claire Evans]

But it had already been determined that Satan can ask for forgiveness - if you would like to further contest this:
viewtopic.php?t=33307

I don't see how your post suggests that Satan can ask for forgiveness.

Otherwise:

I actually do know the mind of Satan. Yes, he makes it very obvious to those who love Jesus who he really is. How can a being who hates Jesus ever repent? How can the source of all evil be repentant? In order to repent, there needs a person to have a conscious and acknowledge that they have sinned.

Is there a verse in the Bible that says Satan's nature can change?

How can a child who has grown to hate their parent repent?

Is this child the source of all evil and the arch enemy of God? Why does the child hate his parents? Was he molested or just hating them because their parents give him boundaries? God takes into account everyone's circumstances.

God is the source of all evil, ToN already quoted the verse.
Satan knows that he has sinned - either way, he simply has a different view on the matter. Just because one state has a law, and another doesn't doesn't mean you aren't aware of the law.

First of all, Yahweh is not the Father. Secondly, evil is calamity in Hebrew.

http://biblehub.com/hebrew/7451b.htm

But none of these are Bible verses, and only tell me how desperate the entire religion is to have a villain that can't change.

As to me quoting the Bible:
Easily done - if we start with his nature, Lord of Lies - lies are designed to enact change, as John 8:44 and in Genesis 3:4-5.

But how does John illustrate that Satan changes his essence? Everything he says is to deceive. He is also capable of saying half-truths and truths if it furthers his evil agenda.

Genesis is irrelevant as it is a pagan story.

It does not seem to occur to you that his every act in Revelation is an opportunity for change, not even just his nature, or penitence, but how he conducts his campaign against the All-Mighty. Revelation states his battle plan.
Matthew 6:13 temptation is a choice.

It goes on and on.

So, please, now make your point with something solid, not your desires.

What? Revelation says there is no chance of Satan changing. His fate is the lake of fire. In order for Satan to be saved, he needs to repent? But having a campaign against God means there is no remorse and thus to chance of salvation. The point of prophecy is that it is set in stone. It can't change so he can't change his battle plan.

Temptation is not a choice. Jesus was tempted. What is a choice is giving in to it.

Claire Evans wrote

Because they don't know the true nature of Satan.

Only those allied with Satan could possibly know his mind, and you do claim to understand him.
How does that work?

Nonsense. Do you think Jesus didn't know the mind of Satan? Was He an ally of Satan?

Paul knew, too:

1 Peter 5:8

Be alert and of sober mind. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour.

I dabbled in something I should not have at 12 and learnt that Satan is nothing to sneeze at. The more frightened one is, the more he feeds off it. I learnt that with my night terrors. The more frightened I become, the worse it got.

The way to know Satan is to see how he reacts when you put your life into God's hands. When God does something for us, Satan tries to counter it. One of his attempts is intimidation. Once I was leaving my house to go to church when the keys went missing and appeared in a place where no one had placed them at all. This is intimidation.

When I write about Satan on the Internet, usually something unpleasant happens which is why I am a bit nervous about writing about him.

When I first came here to write about Satan, I saw a horrific scene of a mauled bird. The legs were off, the head missing, intestine protruding out. I love birds and see them as a sign of God. That's how you learn about the ways of the devil.

[Justin108]

So we have moved beyond rationalizations that Satan can't do that, he has free-will, and is supposedly smarter than you.

So Satan asks God for forgiveness.
What happens?

Does all that prophesy go away?
Are those people in Hell forgiven?
Would Satan be forgiven?

So many questions.

Prophecy in Revelation says Satan and the false prophet will be thrown in the lake of fire where they will be tormented forever. Thus Satan asking God for forgiveness is impossible and would never happen.

I think people miscontrue the nature of Satan. The chance of Satan repenting is like the chance God will turn to evil. Zero %

So Satan doesn't have free will?

What's it got to do with free will? We most certainly is getting his way in this world.

If Satan cannot make a choice, then he does not have free will.

You think Satan's actions are the result of him choosing to do evil through free will that God gave? Does Satan give God free will? No. They are very powerful entities in their own right. Satan doesn't have lesser powers to God in the sense that he is omniscient and omnipresent. He doesn't need God's permission but he is not a creation of God's.

I'm not asking who gave who free will. I am asking who has free will. If Satan has free will, he should be able to choose to ask for forgiveness.