We have many examples of the prayers of King David in the book of Psalms. They are all addressed to the YHVH God, and none end with "in Jesus name, amen".
For debate, in spite of this omission, did God hear and answer David's prayers?
If so, how important is it to pray "in Jesus name"?
And come to think of it, the Synoptic Jesus did not teach his disciples to pray "in Jesus name we pray". Only to hallow the Father's name.
If praying "in Jesus name" is actually something that Jesus actually taught, why did Matthew and Luke not record it?
David did not pray "in Jesus name"
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David did not pray "in Jesus name"
Post #1 My theological positions:
-God created us in His image, not the other way around.
-The Bible is redeemed by it's good parts.
-Pure monotheism, simple repentance.
-YHVH is LORD
-The real Jesus is not God, the real YHVH is not a monster.
-Eternal life is a gift from the Living God.
-Keep the Commandments, keep your salvation.
-I have accepted YHVH as my Heavenly Father, LORD and Savior.
I am inspired by Jesus to worship none but YHVH, and to serve only Him.
-God created us in His image, not the other way around.
-The Bible is redeemed by it's good parts.
-Pure monotheism, simple repentance.
-YHVH is LORD
-The real Jesus is not God, the real YHVH is not a monster.
-Eternal life is a gift from the Living God.
-Keep the Commandments, keep your salvation.
-I have accepted YHVH as my Heavenly Father, LORD and Savior.
I am inspired by Jesus to worship none but YHVH, and to serve only Him.
Re: David did not pray "in Jesus name"
Post #31[Replying to post 30 by paarsurrey1]
"The true Christians should pray to YHVH/Allah whom Jesus used to address as God-the-Father. David prayed to YHVH/Allah and never to Jesus, please. Right, please? "
True Christians have Christ' words to follow and the the words of his Apostols and disciples.
"The true Christians should pray to YHVH/Allah whom Jesus used to address as God-the-Father. David prayed to YHVH/Allah and never to Jesus, please. Right, please? "
True Christians have Christ' words to follow and the the words of his Apostols and disciples.
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Re: David did not pray "in Jesus name"
Post #32Yes. Pray to God only.Monta wrote: [Replying to post 30 by paarsurrey1]
"The true Christians should pray to YHVH/Allah whom Jesus used to address as God-the-Father. David prayed to YHVH/Allah and never to Jesus, please. Right, please? "
True Christians have Christ' words to follow and the the words of his Apostols and disciples.
Hosea 12:6 Yet the Lord, the God of Hosts, Must be invoked as "Lord".
Footnote: Ie, one should not invoke any of the angelic host(as the Lord).
Re: David did not pray "in Jesus name"
Post #33Christians pray to the glorified Christ who ascended in his glorified humanity and fully united it with Divinity which was always in Him; God is one.brianbbs67 wrote:Yes. Pray to God only.Monta wrote: [Replying to post 30 by paarsurrey1]
"The true Christians should pray to YHVH/Allah whom Jesus used to address as God-the-Father. David prayed to YHVH/Allah and never to Jesus, please. Right, please? "
True Christians have Christ' words to follow and the the words of his Apostols and disciples.
Hosea 12:6 Yet the Lord, the God of Hosts, Must be invoked as "Lord".
Footnote: Ie, one should not invoke any of the angelic host(as the Lord).
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Re: David did not pray "in Jesus name"
Post #34Monta wrote:No offense ., but How do youknow that?brianbbs67 wrote:Yes. Pray to God only.Monta wrote: [Replying to post 30 by paarsurrey1]
"The true Christians should pray to YHVH/Allah whom Jesus used to address as God-the-Father. David prayed to YHVH/Allah and never to Jesus, please. Right, please? "
True Christians have Christ' words to follow and the the words of his Apostols and disciples.
Hosea 12:6 Yet the Lord, the God of Hosts, Must be invoked as "Lord".
Footnote: Ie, one should not invoke any of the angelic host(as the Lord).
Christians pray to the glorified Christ who ascended in his glorified humanity and fully united it with Divinity which was always in Him; God is one.
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Re: David did not pray "in Jesus name"
Post #35brianbbs67 wrote:Monta wrote:brianbbs67 wrote:Yes. Pray to God only.Monta wrote: [Replying to post 30 by paarsurrey1]
"The true Christians should pray to YHVH/Allah whom Jesus used to address as God-the-Father. David prayed to YHVH/Allah and never to Jesus, please. Right, please? "
True Christians have Christ' words to follow and the the words of his Apostols and disciples.
Hosea 12:6 Yet the Lord, the God of Hosts, Must be invoked as "Lord".
Footnote: Ie, one should not invoke any of the angelic host(as the Lord).A good question. One should tell one's source of information or belief, else it will be a blind-faith. Right, please?"brianbbs67"
No offense ., but How do youknow that?
Christians pray to the glorified Christ who ascended in his glorified humanity and fully united it with Divinity which was always in Him; God is one.
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Re: David did not pray "in Jesus name"
Post #36[Replying to post 35 by paarsurrey1]
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No offense ., but How do youknow that?
A good question. One should tell one's source of information or belief, else it will be a blind-faith. Right, please?"
Lots of reading countless books and listening to many speakers, theologians.
Bible of course.
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"brianbbs67"
No offense ., but How do youknow that?
A good question. One should tell one's source of information or belief, else it will be a blind-faith. Right, please?"
Lots of reading countless books and listening to many speakers, theologians.
Bible of course.
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Re: David did not pray "in Jesus name"
Post #37In other words, it is just a conjecture neither from religion nor from science.Monta wrote: [Replying to post 35 by paarsurrey1]
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"brianbbs67"
No offense ., but How do youknow that?
A good question. One should tell one's source of information or belief, else it will be a blind-faith. Right, please?"
Lots of reading countless books and listening to many speakers, theologians.
Bible of course.
Right, please?
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Re: David did not pray "in Jesus name"
Post #38Christ always directed us to pray to the Father. Only the Gospel of John and Paul's and his disciples writings say they are the same.Monta wrote:Christians pray to the glorified Christ who ascended in his glorified humanity and fully united it with Divinity which was always in Him; God is one.brianbbs67 wrote:Yes. Pray to God only.Monta wrote: [Replying to post 30 by paarsurrey1]
"The true Christians should pray to YHVH/Allah whom Jesus used to address as God-the-Father. David prayed to YHVH/Allah and never to Jesus, please. Right, please? "
True Christians have Christ' words to follow and the the words of his Apostols and disciples.
Hosea 12:6 Yet the Lord, the God of Hosts, Must be invoked as "Lord".
Footnote: Ie, one should not invoke any of the angelic host(as the Lord).
Don't get me wrong here. They could be and they could be a trinity. I believe all exist. Christ always deferred to the Father and said he would send the Comforter(Holy Spirit) after he ascended. Never said they were all the same.
As to blind faith, we all have to accept some of that(as professing christians). We don't know, for sure, what Christ's name is. We don't know for sure who wrote any of the New Testament. People surmise Matthew and Mark were written by the same person, but much later. I am not sure anyone has a guess for Luke's author, but I have been wrong before. John is attributed to him(John), but its unknown too. Even Paul's letters weren't written by him. Which is most of the NT.
All of that above just means, we don't know. And should keep open minds.
Re: David did not pray "in Jesus name"
Post #39[Replying to post 38 by brianbbs67]
"All of that above just means, we don't know. And should keep open minds."
All things neccessarry for us to know pertaining to our salvation is made clear.
Other things are added on and on and some will have to wait untill we reach
higher consciousness in heavenly states.
"All of that above just means, we don't know. And should keep open minds."
All things neccessarry for us to know pertaining to our salvation is made clear.
Other things are added on and on and some will have to wait untill we reach
higher consciousness in heavenly states.
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I agree with that Monta. We will never learn it all here. But, we must "Seek the Kingdom of God, first. And all these things will be added unto you."
I think the active seeking is the key. Our relationship with the Lord is the most important one we will ever have in this life. Being that, it would be foolish not to explore further. That's why I enjoy the debate here. Its civil for the most part and new things and insights show up daily.
I think the active seeking is the key. Our relationship with the Lord is the most important one we will ever have in this life. Being that, it would be foolish not to explore further. That's why I enjoy the debate here. Its civil for the most part and new things and insights show up daily.
