Homosexuality does not equal anal penetration.

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Animals do not have control of their passions like human beings. Humans are able to reason and use their intellect to make choices that affect their long term happiness and fulfillment. The animal kingdom is not subject to the same laws/rules as we are. A lion is not immoral if he steals his dinner from his neighbor.

This is patently false there are numerous intelligence studies specifically focused on whether an animal can "control its passions". Many animals with higher levels of intelligence such as Chimps, Bonobos, Elephants, Dogs, etc. all exhibit an ability to control their wants/desires to effect long term rewards.

Chimpanzees for example also display a higher level of strategic iQ than humans. The portion of the brain related to empathy and emotion is much larger relative to brain size in killer whales than it is in humans. Killer whales are also displaying culture/linguistic dialects.
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Aaaaaaand again . . . your words prove you do not understand natural law.
It's right there in the quote, I REJECT NATURAL LAW. I understand it just fine, it is an outdated mode of thinking that has been debunked long ago. Science and philosophy has moved passed this. This is not the 1800s. You have yet to prove anything you say is true or accurate. Selective use of facts to create an incomplete/misleading augment does not make you right.
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addicts and cigarette smokers would make the same argument. However, that doesn’t make it true and it certainly doesn’t make it right/good.
What drug addicts and cigarette smokers do is not relevant here. Drugs including cigarettes are an introduction of a foreign chemical substance into the bloodstream, this is more akin to eating disorders than sexual intercourse it's a bad analogy.You talked about straw man earlier try and practice what you preach...
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The facts do not support this. A person engaged in an adulterous affair could make the same argument.
The facts do support this.

The anal cavity is an appropriate size for the penis, the sphincter can relax to accommodate a penis, saliva can be used for lubrication. There are sexual nerve endings located in the anus and around the sphincter indicating an adaption for sexual intercourse. Biologically speaking there is nothing inherently wrong with anal intercourse. There can be situations when it is not ideal some people have very large penisies that can hurt someone and in some cases an individual may be carrying a disease. In these cases circumstance should dictate morality.

The morality of an adulterous affair is not related, again practice what you preach.
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No they don't, the rise of sexually transmitted diseases among young adults has more to do with a lack of sex education than the practice of anal sex.

Yes, let’s educate people that anal sex comes with much greater risk than vaginal sex. Let’s educate people that when you have anal sex things can tear/rip/bleed (very common, btw) and this contributes to spreading of disease. Let’s be sure to share many of the statistics mentioned in the video I linked and not downplay the tragedy of these things. Anyone suggesting otherwise is doing a disservice.

Maybe if it is so chilling you should spend more of your efforts championing sex education and the practice of safe sex instead of condemning homosexuals.
I do not condemn homosexuals – those are your words.

As for safe sex . . .

Safe sex practices became more prominent in the late 1980s as a result of the AIDS epidemic. Promoting safer sex is now one of the aims of sex education. Safer sex is regarded as a harm reduction strategy aimed at reducing risks.[3][4] The risk reduction of safe sex is not absolute; for example, the reduced risk to the receptive partner of acquiring HIV from HIV-seropositive partners not wearing condoms compared to when they wear them is estimated to be about a four to fivefold.[5]

Although safe sex is used by individuals to refer to protection against both pregnancy and HIV/AIDS or other STI transmissions, the term was born in response to the HIV/AIDS epidemic. It is believed that the term of safe sex was used in the professional literature in 1984, in the content of a paper on the psychological effect that HIV/AIDS may have on homosexual men. The term was related with the need to develop educational programs for the group considered at risk, homosexual men.[citation needed] A year later, the same term appeared in an article in The New York Times. This article emphasized that most specialists advised their AIDS patients to practice safe sex

Although this term was primarily used in conjunction with the homosexual male population, in 1986 the concept was spread to the general population

Unprotected anal penetration is a high risk activity, regardless of sexual orientation. Anal sex is a higher risk activity than vaginal intercourse because the thin tissues of the anus and rectum can be easily damaged.[39][40] Slight injuries can allow the passage of bacteria and viruses, including HIV. This includes by the use of anal toys. Condoms may be more likely to break during anal sex than during vaginal sex, increasing the risk.[41]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safe_sex

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Animals do not have control of their passions like human beings. Humans are able to reason and use their intellect to make choices that affect their long term happiness and fulfillment. The animal kingdom is not subject to the same laws/rules as we are. A lion is not immoral if he steals his dinner from his neighbor.



This is patently false there are numerous intelligence studies specifically focused on whether an animal can "control its passions"
My statement remains accurate and yours consists of intellectual dishonesty. To dismiss the truth that human beings are more intelligent and can reason, can control their passions better than animals, and are obviously not subject to the same moral laws as human beings is inaccurate
The anal cavity is an appropriate size for the penis, the sphincter can relax to accommodate a penis, saliva can be used for lubrication. There are sexual nerve endings located in the anus and around the sphincter indicating an adaption for sexual intercourse. Biologically speaking there is nothing inherently wrong with anal intercourse.
Your inability to be more fair to the truth could be putting people at risk. It is inherently a bad choice.

Unprotected anal penetration is a high risk activity, regardless of sexual orientation. Anal sex is a higher risk activity than vaginal intercourse because the thin tissues of the anus and rectum can be easily damaged.[39][40] Slight injuries can allow the passage of bacteria and viruses, including HIV.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safe_sex

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To dismiss the truth that human beings are more intelligent and can reason, can control their passions better than animals,
You said do not have, you have now rephrased your comment to read control better. It is clear humans possess great ability compared to other animals in terms of reason and logic. However, other animals also possess the ability to use reason and logic to varying degrees. Some animals even display remarkable levels of ability in this regard.

Observing animal behavior particularly in other great apes is valuable sociologically speaking relative to human behavior as we share a very near common ancestor. Other great apes relative to ourselves exhibit similar social behaviors to humans. Hence we can exam these behaviors to better understand our own.

I think we can do without the uncivil discourse you are displaying with accusations of intellectual dishonesty and other such disrespectful comments correct? Hopefully I have not offended you to be treated this way.
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You said do not have, you have now rephrased your comment to read control better. It is clear humans possess great ability compared to other animals in terms of reason and logic. However, other animals also possess the ability to use reason and logic to varying degrees. Some animals even display remarkable levels of ability in this regard.

Observing animal behavior particularly in other great apes is valuable sociologically speaking relative to human behavior as we share a very near common ancestor. Other great apes relative to ourselves exhibit similar social behaviors to humans. Hence we can exam these behaviors to better understand our own.

I think we can do without the uncivil discourse you are displaying with accusations of intellectual dishonesty and other such disrespectful comments correct? Hopefully I have not offended you to be treated this way.
I think it was fair and accurate to make the point that it isn’t fully honest to suggest animals are equivalent to human beings in regards to intelligence, making rational decisions, and controlling their passions. Sometimes calling something intellectually dishonest is fair and necessary and I sometimes get tired of people being “offended� at the accusation. It just so happens to be the best way to explain the situation. I am sorry if you find it disrespectful. I equally find it disrespectful to not be able to admit the obvious in a conversation.

Everyone has different styles of debate/conversation. I enjoy a little sarcastic banter in a good internet forum discussion. One of the good things about anonymous internet forums is you can cut to the chase and speak freely. We can dispense of some of the expected exchanges of pleasantries were we having the same conversation at a neighborhood BBQ. I find that fact refreshing and allows for less wasted time of say discussing the weather for the first 30 minutes before we get to what is more interesting and important. I do realize however that I have to remember not everyone feels the way I do.

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Yes, let’s educate people that anal sex comes with much greater risk than vaginal sex. Let’s educate people that when you have anal sex things can tear/rip/bleed (very common, btw) and this contributes to spreading of disease. Let’s be sure to share many of the statistics mentioned in the video I linked and not downplay the tragedy of these things. Anyone suggesting otherwise is doing
It's easy to find shock videos on the internet but it's harder to actually sort through the data.https://www.cdc.gov/std/stats15/std-sur ... -print.pdf

While it is true MSM relations have a higher risk of transmission of HIV and syphillis overall these transmission rates are down from the past 50 years. Women are at a higher risk of contracting HPV(a primary cause of cervical cancer)from male partners than female partners specifically because most men can carry the disease without showing symptoms for many years. It's easy to cherry pick data to make your point but having promiscuous sex always carries a risk no matter your sexual preference. Anal penetration can increase your risk to certain std's but if you limit your partners and use condoms you can eliminate these risks.

When talking about the morality of a sexual act relative to harm you are talking about degree of risk to yourself and your partners. Clearly having unprotected sex with multiple partners without informing them of their risk from you could be considered wrong. THIS HOWEVER APPLIES TO ALL SEXUAL ORIENTATIONS. Anal penetration is not inherently immoral between two healthy adults. Your issue only crops up when an infected individual enters the picture.

So really we are not talking about orientation but choice of partners, awareness of infection, and condemn usage.
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I think it was fair and accurate to make the point that it isn’t fully honest to suggest animals are equivalent to human beings in regards to intelligence, making rational decisions, and controlling their passions.
It's not fair or accurate because I never said equal, note words of varying degrees and relative. The point of killer whales and chimps was regarded to specific areas that had been pointed out. overall Intelligence is more than just one specific area though.
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Sometimes calling something intellectually dishonest is fair and necessary and I sometimes get tired of people being “offended� at the accusation
Which would be fine if you hadn't misrepresented my words. Additionally
Your inability to be more fair to the truth
Is beyond comments of intellectual dishonesty. This site promotes civil debate. Sarcasm can lead to uncivil and inflammatory comments, which is why it is discouraged. Let's stick to the topic and not have a flame war eh?
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