Why would God, who is spirit, need something physical

[Elijah John]

Why would God, who is Spirit, need something physical like blood for appeasement, or to give Himself permisson to forgive the sins of humanity?

Isn't it far more likely (and more Scriptural) that He looks for more Spiritual qualities in order to forgive sins? Things like basic repentance and a willingness to forgive our fellow humans?

(Hosea 6.6, Micah 6.6-6.8, the Lord's prayer, the Beattitudes, the Parables of Jesus etc, etc, etc.)

[paarsurrey1]

Why would God, who is Spirit, need something physical like blood for appeasement, or to give Himself permisson to forgive the sins of humanity?

Isn't it far more likely (and more Scriptural) that He looks for more Spiritual qualities in order to forgive sins? Things like basic repentance and a willingness to forgive our fellow humans?

(Hosea 6.6, Micah 6.6-6.8, the Lord's prayer, the Beattitudes, the Parables of Jesus etc, etc, etc.)

One has understood the concept from Torah correctly:

[22:38] Their flesh reaches not Allah, nor does their blood, but it is your righteousness that reaches Him. Thus has He subjected them to you, that you may glorify Allah for His guiding you. And give glad tidings to those who do good.
https://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/s ... 2&verse=37

[3:136] And those who, when they commit a foul deed or wrong themselves, remember Allah and implore forgiveness for their sins — and who can forgive sins except Allah? — and do not persist knowingly in what they have done.
[3:137] It is these whose reward is forgiveness from their Lord, and Gardens beneath which rivers flow, wherein they shall abide; and how good is the reward of those who work!
https://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/s ... 2&verse=37

Regards

[JehovahsWitness]

"It is a burnt offering, an offering made by fire, an aroma pleasing to the LORD" (Lev 1:9 NIV)

God doesn't have senses so how could He smell this aroma?

Are you a bible literalist?

Depends on what we are talking about.

I'm talking about the verse in question, do you take the verse literally?

[paarsurrey1]

"It is a burnt offering, an offering made by fire, an aroma pleasing to the LORD" (Lev 1:9 NIV)

God doesn't have senses so how could He smell this aroma?

Are you a bible literalist?

Depends on what we are talking about.

I'm talking about the verse in question, do you take the verse literally?

Lev 1:9 NIV

Leviticus was not written by Moses, it is a later addition made by the greedy clergy for their own worldly motives.

Jesus never did any burnt offering, did he please?

Regards

[bluethread]

OK , you say that blood sacrifice is what people need, not God, correct? Well when I do something wrong, repentance and apologies usually suffice. I don't feel the need to offer an animal sacrifice, nor do I feel the need to interpret Jesus martyrdom as a sacrifice.

So how about in my case, and for folks like me who also do not feel the need to offer blood, human or animal?

Some of us believe that God "desires mercy, not sacrifice".

Well, in your case, it is forbidden to make a sacrifice, because there is no Temple. Regarding considering something in the past to have been a sacrifice, where is the harm in that? Regarding your statement that you need no reminder of Adonai's ways and therefore need no sacrifice, do you feel the same about the moedim(appointed times) and the keeping of Shabbat? If indeed you are arguing with the evangelicals that one can simply have these things written on ones heart, why should one even consult the Scriptures at all. After all, if that is the case, as Yerimayahu says, "they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD:" Personally, though I am sometimes tempted to think that I need no reminders, every year, as I read the same Scriptures and observe the same practices, I find something I have missed and notice something that I did not stop to recall in the past year. So, I will continue to commemorate the sacrifices and observe the moedim until I become as certain that I will not forget as you and the evangelicals claim to be.

[bluethread]

It is much harder to have mercy for other people, especially having mercy for violent criminals, but when we have mercy for the defenseless animals then it becomes far easier to have mercy on the evils of other people.

That is because that has also been removed from our sight. Mass production and the socialist agenda have trained us to warehouse everything. In a Torah observant society there are no prisons. In capital cases, the convicted were not executed in a room far away from the community. The community was required to actively take part in the execution. For this reason, they were rare. The were cities of refuge for those who were found guilty of manslaughter. However, there were on guards. The victims were to be responsible for keeping the convict from leaving the city. Also, in civil cases, the state did not extract the restitution, but victim was required to see that they received restitution. It is a much different system than those used in western societies. People are not permitted to delegate the difficult things in life.

[Monta]

[Replying to post 17 by polonius.advice]


"RESPONSE: Have you considered that the first seven books of the Bible are a fiction written by men? "

Those who do not know that the first seven books of Genesis are copied from the ancient writings, might.
Important to keep in mind that they are written in the language of correspondences and have no relation to literal interpretation.

they are written in the language of correspondences and have no relation to literal interpretation

This need further elaboration, please.
Regards

Correspondences, science of the ancients
as revealed/rediscovered by Swedenborg' Heaven and Hell (89)

"The whole natural world corresponds to the spiritual world, and not merely the natural world in general, but also every particular of it; and as a consequence everything in the natural world that springs from the spiritual world is called a correspondent. It must be understood that the natural world springs from and has permanent existence from the spiritual world, precisely like an effect from its effecting cause. All that is spread out under the sun and that receives heat and light from the sun is what is called the natural world; and all things that derive their subsistence therefrom belong to that world. But the spiritual world is heaven; and all things in the heavens belong to that world.

Since man is both a heaven and a world in least form after the image of the greatest (see above, n. 57), there is in him both a spiritual and a natural world. The interior things that belong to his mind, and that have relation to understanding and will, constitute his spiritual world; while the exterior things that belong to his body, and that have relation to its senses and activities, constitute his natural world. Consequently, everything in his natural world (that is, in his body and its senses and activities), that has its existence from his spiritual world (that is, from his mind and its understanding and will) is called a correspondent."
http://www.sacred-texts.com/swd/hh/hh02.htm