Is hell like a rehab for treatment of sin addicts?
Quran gives a clue to it:
It is for a long time but not eternal as God is. There will come a time when all inhabitants of hell will be delivered from it:
[101:9] But as for him whose scales are light,
[101:10] Hell will be his nursing mother.
[101:11] And what should make thee know what that is?
[101:12] It is a burning Fire.
https://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/s ... 01&verse=9
Hell is like rehab where the addicts of sins will be treated when one gets cured one will come out of it. God's mercy will release one from it. Right, please?
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Is hell like a rehab for treatment of sin addicts?
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Post #11The dead get resurrected - that is the plan and the promise.2timothy316 wrote: Ecclesiastes 9:6 - "For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing at all."
Psalm 146:4 - "His spirit [ftn. 'breath'] goes out, he returns to the ground; On that very day his thoughts perish."
How can the dead, who 'know nothing' and their 'thoughts having perished' be rehabilitated?
After the resurrection then every person will believe, and then comes the salvation of every person, and not even one lost sheep gets left out.
Romans 6:
7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
And this in Ephesians 2:
5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)
6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
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Post #12True.JP Cusick wrote: The dead get resurrected - that is the plan and the promise.
I believe this is close but that the order is "before the resurrection" every person will believe.JP Cusick wrote:After the resurrection then every person will believe, and then comes the salvation of every person, and not even one lost sheep gets left out.
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Post #13If you are trying to shorten their time of their punishment by any means then you imply that our eternal life is shortened by however much...JP Cusick wrote:Eternal punishment does not mean eternal continuous punishing.ttruscott wrote: Not quite:
Matt 25:46 “Then they [the goats on the left hand, Satan's angels] will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous [the sheep on the right hand] to eternal life.�
Eternal life = eternal punishment.
Why do you suspect you are not in contradiction to the injunction of 2 Corinthians 6:17 Therefore, "Come out from them [separate in your hearts from any commiseration with the eternally evil ones] and be separate, says the Lord. Touch no unclean thing, [sympathy for the devil] and I will receive you."
PCE Theology as I see it...
We had an existence with a free will in Sheol before the creation of the physical universe. Here we chose to be able to become holy or to be eternally evil in YHWH's sight. Then the physical universe was created and all sinners were sent to earth.
This theology debunks the need to base Christianity upon the blasphemy of creating us in Adam's sin.
We had an existence with a free will in Sheol before the creation of the physical universe. Here we chose to be able to become holy or to be eternally evil in YHWH's sight. Then the physical universe was created and all sinners were sent to earth.
This theology debunks the need to base Christianity upon the blasphemy of creating us in Adam's sin.
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Post #14[Replying to post 13 by ttruscott]
"Why do you suspect you are not in contradiction to the injunction of 2 Corinthians 6:17 Therefore, "Come out from them [separate in your hearts from any commiseration with the eternally evil ones] and be separate, says the Lord. Touch no unclean thing, [sympathy for the devil] and I will receive you."//
Also repentance - literal turning from doing evil to doing good.
"Why do you suspect you are not in contradiction to the injunction of 2 Corinthians 6:17 Therefore, "Come out from them [separate in your hearts from any commiseration with the eternally evil ones] and be separate, says the Lord. Touch no unclean thing, [sympathy for the devil] and I will receive you."//
Also repentance - literal turning from doing evil to doing good.
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Post #15Punishment of God is not based on time.ttruscott wrote: If you are trying to shorten their time of their punishment by any means then you imply that our eternal life is shortened by however much...
The punishment (chastisement) of God is based on mercy and reconciliation.
It is based on our loving Father for His misbehaving children.
Punishment never means continuous punishing.
Hebrews:
11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.
The punishment itself last forever in our memories as our eternal shame, but the punishing stops very quickly.
Just as Jesus on the cross - it stopped but we never forget about it.
The Father says "Come out from them ..." and that is not a request - it is a command.ttruscott wrote: Why do you suspect you are not in contradiction to the injunction of 2 Corinthians 6:17 Therefore, "Come out from them [separate in your hearts from any commiseration with the eternally evil ones] and be separate, says the Lord. Touch no unclean thing, [sympathy for the devil] and I will receive you."
When God said let there be light - then it was not a question nor a request - God speaks to let there be light and the light had no choice.
So too when the Father tells humanity to come out from evil, 2 Corinthians 6:17-18, then the people have no choice as they come out because God said to come out.
See Revelations 17:
4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
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That is not a request - it is a command to come out - and all of the people will come out without even one sheep being lost or left out.
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Post #16Ok but resurrection is raising of dead back to life. Isn't that what Ecclesiastes 9:6 is explaining, not the condition of the living but of the dead? The dead are dead right? Which means in no way living. What is the condition of the dead before their resurrection? Isn't the Bible correct that after their death but before their resurrection " the dead know nothing at all."?JP Cusick wrote:The dead get resurrected - that is the plan and the promise.2timothy316 wrote: Ecclesiastes 9:6 - "For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing at all."
Psalm 146:4 - "His spirit [ftn. 'breath'] goes out, he returns to the ground; On that very day his thoughts perish."
How can the dead, who 'know nothing' and their 'thoughts having perished' be rehabilitated?
After the resurrection then every person will believe, and then comes the salvation of every person, and not even one lost sheep gets left out.
Romans 6:
7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
And this in Ephesians 2:
5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)
6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
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Post #17Physical death means physical death, so yes dead means dead.2timothy316 wrote: Ok but resurrection is raising of dead back to life. Isn't that what Ecclesiastes 9:6 is explaining, not the condition of the living but of the dead? The dead are dead right? Which means in no way living. What is the condition of the dead before their resurrection? Isn't the Bible correct that after their death but before their resurrection " the dead know nothing at all."?
But we all know that the Bible declares a "second death" and the Bible tells us that the second death is to become "dead to sin" Romans 6:11.
And then the big Bible prophesy that death will end, as death is swallowed up in victory, "O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?"
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Post #18That is what the Bible says, yet that is not what is taught or believed by most people. What is taught that either person is in Heaven or Hell experiencing either bliss or torture.JP Cusick wrote:Physical death means physical death, so yes dead means dead.2timothy316 wrote: Ok but resurrection is raising of dead back to life. Isn't that what Ecclesiastes 9:6 is explaining, not the condition of the living but of the dead? The dead are dead right? Which means in no way living. What is the condition of the dead before their resurrection? Isn't the Bible correct that after their death but before their resurrection " the dead know nothing at all."?
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Post #19Yes - I agree that the vast part of humanity has life and God mixed up or confused or just plain wrong.2timothy316 wrote: That is what the Bible says, yet that is not what is taught or believed by most people. What is taught that either person is in Heaven or Hell experiencing either bliss or torture.
To find any person who has every bit accurate and true - would be to find God in that person.
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Onto a similar note is that yes dead people are dead, but we can find real Ghosts in this world which do haunt but are not alive as we understand life, because the Ghosts of dead people just move a short distance and they can only make specific noises so that we can experience the Ghosts but they are not really alive.
The Spirits and Angels and Demons are alive, in that they can talk and think and travel all around because the Spirits are alive, but the Ghosts of humans can not.
It is an interesting reality ~ IMO.
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Post #20I cannot agree with the idea 'not alive as we understand life'. Dead is dead, as in no way alive. I see no wiggle room for this in the Bible, certainly not ghost.JP Cusick wrote:
...but we can find real Ghosts in this world which do haunt but are not alive as we understand life, because the Ghosts of dead people just move a short distance and they can only make specific noises so that we can experience the Ghosts but they are not really alive.
The Spirits and Angels and Demons are alive, in that they can talk and think and travel all around because the Spirits are alive, but the Ghosts of humans can not.
It is an interesting reality ~ IMO.
However, what does make sense are spirit creatures acting as ghost in hopes of misleading people there is life (any kind of life) after death. Misleading folks in thinking we do not return to the dust as the Bible says after death. (Ecclesiastes 3:19, 20) According to the Bible, we are not spirits on which hang bodies of meat. We are physical beings through and through. The only 'spirit' we possess is in the way of air that we breath and life force that keeps alive. There is no mention in the Bible that air or life force holds any of our memories or personality. It would be like saying that the operating system and all the apps of an iphone is in it's battery.
Mankind today still don't understand why a person keeps living. We know electrical activity happens in the brain. We know we generate this on our own but we can't put it back once it's lost. It was the inspiration for Frankenstein's monster. The thought that we can just run electricity through someones brain and that should just bring them back to life. It doesn't work that way does it. It is a true mystery that even the Bible doesn't fully explain other than it's from God and when we die this life force that keeps us alive returns to God. There is no mention that it hangs around as a ghost. Even if it did, it wouldn't be able to hold any of our traits, such as how we sounded or looked like. We know all of this is held in our DNA and brain. So while it's true no one can know fully how we are alive we are not completely left in the dark. DNA was God's idea. It makes no sense that the information stored in that DNA would be able to somehow be passed on to a spirit form which as far as we know is not physical at all but lost likely some form of energy. It's why teleportation on Star Trek would never work. To breakdown a person atom by atom and then re-materialize them would be impossible. Because do you know what breaking something down atom by atom and turning them into energy is called? Burning them.
People have had what are called 'waking dreams' and this is one the leading explanations for ghost. There's even a pretty good article about it on the news about there may be a medical reason some people see ghost.
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/see-ghos ... -1c9926902