Wasn't Jesus a Muslim, please?

[paarsurrey1]

Wasn't Jesus a Muslim, please?

JP Cusick wrote Post 18*:

That Jesus obeyed the Father does not in any way take away His free will to choose otherwise.

I agree with one. When Jesus was chosen a prophet/messenger of One-True-God by Him, Jesus had already on his free-will became a "submitter to God" or a Muslim in this sense. Jesus expressed that he was one with God, on his free-will, never forced by God. Had Jesus not obeyed God's commandment, he would have suffered like Jonah, to Jonah he himself pegged. Right, please?

Regards

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*Post 18: "Did Christ have free will?"Debating Christianity and Religion Forum Index -> Theology, Doctrine, and Dogma

[Divine Insight]

Scripture states clearly that Jesus was the virgin born Son of God. Clearly not just a prophet. Scripture also has God speaking from the clouds confirming that Jesus is his Son, not a prophet. So clearly God is not in agreement with the false Muslim claims of Muhammad that Jesus was just a prophet. Clearly the Muslims have been led astray by Satan and Muhammad is a minion of the devil. Jesus warned that false prophets would come after him and preach lies. And this prophecy was fulfilled by Muhammad.

Right, please?

[bjs]

[Replying to paarsurrey1]

It depends on what you mean.

You appear to be using the word “muslim� to mean “one who submits to God.� If that is the case, then yes Jesus was a musilm. Also note that for this meaning the word must have a lower case “m.� Capitalizing the first letter changes the meaning of the word.

If you mean that Jesus was a Muslim in the way that almost everyone in the world uses the word Muslim – a member of the religion Islam – then no, Jesus was certainly not a Muslim. He was a Jew.

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to post 1 by paarsurrey1]

Well if we call a "Muslim" a person who follows the religion of Islam, then no. If we take it "anyone that submits to God's will" then we are on our way to declaring Pope Francis a Muslim too (that day will come I'm sure). In any case, what we know for sure is that Jesus is one of Jehovah's Witnesses.

[JP Cusick]

If you mean that Jesus was a Muslim in the way that almost everyone in the world uses the word Muslim – a member of the religion Islam – then no, Jesus was certainly not a Muslim. He was a Jew.

If we use your same criteria then Jesus was not a Jew in the way this world uses that name, because Jesus was not Judean and He did not preach nor practice the Jewish religion.

If we go by the meaning of the word Muslim then yes Jesus submitted to God.



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So clearly God is not in agreement with the false Muslim claims of Muhammad that Jesus was just a prophet.

The Qur'an refers to Jesus as the Messiah and a Prophet and messenger and as the son of Mary.

[Checkpoint]

[Replying to post 1 by paarsurrey1]

Well if we call a "Muslim" a person who follows the religion of Islam, then no. If we take it "anyone that submits to God's will" then we are on our way to declaring Pope Francis a Muslim too (that day will come I'm sure). In any case, what we know for sure is that Jesus is one of Jehovah's Witnesses.

What we know is that Jesus was neither a Muslim nor a Jehovah's Witness.

[Elijah John]

[Replying to post 1 by paarsurrey1]

Well if we call a "Muslim" a person who follows the religion of Islam, then no. If we take it "anyone that submits to God's will" then we are on our way to declaring Pope Francis a Muslim too (that day will come I'm sure). In any case, what we know for sure is that Jesus is one of Jehovah's Witnesses.

What we know is that Jesus was neither a Muslim nor a Jehovah's Witness.

Jesus was not a "Christian" either. He was a Jew. Submissive to YHVH God, the Father.

By the broadest definition of "Muslim" then yes, Jesus was a Muslim. But so are all good Jews, and Christians who submit to YHVH.

Mohammmed viewed all of God's prophets who came before him as "Muslims" in the sense that all were submissive to God. The formal religion of Islam obviously had not yet been forumulated.

Now whether Jesus would have accepted Mohammad as a prophet is pure speculation. Especially if one claims that Mohammad was the greatest prophet.

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to post 1 by paarsurrey1]

Well if we call a "Muslim" a person who follows the religion of Islam, then no. If we take it "anyone that submits to God's will" then we are on our way to declaring Pope Francis a Muslim too (that day will come I'm sure). In any case, what we know for sure is that Jesus is one of Jehovah's Witnesses.

What we know is that Jesus was neither a Muslim nor a Jehovah's Witness.

I think the OP was taking the term "muslim" in its broardest sense rather than belonging to the 21st century version of this religion, in that same way then Jesus was indeed one of Jehovah's Witnesses (see Rev 1:5)

[paarsurrey1]

Scripture states clearly that Jesus was the virgin born Son of God. Clearly not just a prophet. Scripture also has God speaking from the clouds confirming that Jesus is his Son, not a prophet. So clearly God is not in agreement with the false Muslim claims of Muhammad that Jesus was just a prophet. Clearly the Muslims have been led astray by Satan and Muhammad is a minion of the devil. Jesus warned that false prophets would come after him and preach lies. And this prophecy was fulfilled by Muhammad.

Right, please?

Scripture states clearly that Jesus was the virgin born Son of God.

~The "Pauline-Scripture" consisting of NT Gospels were anonymous documents that were doctored by Paul and added with fictional not the real Jesus.
~ Notwithstanding the above, even the doctored "Pauline-Scripture" have clues to find the Truth.
~If being born without a father makes one a son of god or god, then Adam deserves to be twofold son of god or god as Adam, neither had a father nor a mother, with whom Jesus pegged himself and called himself Son of Man/Adam, please.

Right, please?

Regards

[bjs]

[Replying to JP Cusick]

Jesus was from the region of Galilee, making him Judean. He worshiped the Jewish God at the Jewish Temple, taught from the Jewish scriptures in the Jewish Synagogues, based his ethics on Jewish teachings and for the most part kept the Jewish law.

I do not understand how you can claim he was not Judean or that he did not practice Judaism.

Again, if you want to say that Jesus was a muslim then you will need to use a lower case “m�. Capitalizing the word changes its meaning.