Abraham was neither a Jew nor a Christian, but a Muslim

[paarsurrey1]

Abraham was neither a Jew nor a Christian, but a Muslim. Wasn't he, please?

There is no intention to injure anybody's religious sentiments, please.

Regards

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[Elijah John]

Abraham was neither a Jew nor a Christian, but a Muslim. Wasn't he, please?

There is no intention to injure anybody's religious sentiments, please.

Regards

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One may like to read Post No.16 in this connection:
"Wasn't Jesus a Muslim, please?" Debating Christianity and Religion Forum Index -> Theology, Doctrine, and Dogma
viewtopic.php?p=893914#893914

Jews claim him, as do Christians and Muslims alike. Yes, if one defines "Muslim" as one who submits to God, then yes, Abraham was a Muslim.

But in the more formal, religious sense, was anyone before Mohammad actually a "Muslim"?

[phlegmnoire]

[Replying to post 2 by Elijah John]

Continuing along the lines of looser definitions, one could argue that God's "chosen people" were originally the Hebrews (Deu 7:6), only later known as Jews taken from the name of the tribe of Judah. That legitimizes the Christian and Jewish claims on Abraham as much as Muslim claims already mentioned here.

[paarsurrey1]

[Replying to post 2 by Elijah John]

Continuing along the lines of looser definitions, one could argue that God's "chosen people" were originally the Hebrews (Deu 7:6), only later known as Jews taken from the name of the tribe of Judah. That legitimizes the Christian and Jewish claims on Abraham as much as Muslim claims already mentioned here.

There is no race/color/ethnicity that is chosen by One-True-God and if chosen, for what,please?
One-True-God chooses righteous and charitable persons, from among the wicked people when they are misguided, with a Message from Him and these persons are His messengers/prophets:

[2:125] And remember when his Lord tried Abraham with certain commands which he fulfilled. He said, ‘I will make thee a Leader of men.’ Abraham asked, ‘And from among my offspring?’ He said, ‘My covenant does not embrace the transgressors.’
https://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/s ... &verse=124

If a race or people become wrongdoers and wicked they are out of the covenant. Right, please?

Regards

[phlegmnoire]

[Replying to post 2 by Elijah John]

Continuing along the lines of looser definitions, one could argue that God's "chosen people" were originally the Hebrews (Deu 7:6), only later known as Jews taken from the name of the tribe of Judah. That legitimizes the Christian and Jewish claims on Abraham as much as Muslim claims already mentioned here.

There is no race/color/ethnicity that is chosen by One-True-God and if chosen, for what,please?
One-True-God chooses righteous and charitable persons, from among the wicked people when they are misguided, with a Message from Him and these persons are His messengers/prophets:

[2:125] And remember when his Lord tried Abraham with certain commands which he fulfilled. He said, ‘I will make thee a Leader of men.’ Abraham asked, ‘And from among my offspring?’ He said, ‘My covenant does not embrace the transgressors.’
https://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/s ... &verse=124

If a race or people become wrongdoers and wicked they are out of the covenant. Right, please?

Regards

Why should we conclude in the first place that there is one "true" God, or any number of true gods for that matter? Once we have reason to believe that there are one or more true gods, how can we know what they would choose?

(I'm assuming here that by "true" God, you are distinguishing between a God that exists and gods who are figments of the human imagination - please correct me if that's not what you meant)

If one happens to accept what's written in Deuteronomy 7:6-8 as an indicator of who God chose and for what reason, then he chose the Hebrews because he "loved [them] and kept the oath he swore to [their] ancestors"

[brianbbs67]

Abraham the Hebrew is how he was called. Hebrew and Jew are a little different. Muslim did not exist in Abraham's time(nor in Mohammed's). So, not a valid question, now.

[marco]

Abraham the Hebrew is how he was called. Hebrew and Jew are a little different. Muslim did not exist in Abraham's time(nor in Mohammed's). So, not a valid question, now.

Yes, this is so. Islam means submission, possibly in reference to those forced to submit to Muhammad's forces but possibly, also, in reference to people who bow submissively before Allah five times a day. Abraham submitted to Yahweh's wicked command and so followed "Islam". I wonder if Cain would be called a Muslim.

Muhammad annexed Christian and Jewish Scripture so in a way Adam was a Muslim, according to Muhammad. The very idea that one can change the past to accord with the present is the sign of an aggressive system.

[brianbbs67]

[Replying to post 7 by marco]

By the definition presented by the OP's quote, yes. But, the moniker Muslim means a much different thing today. Hebrew is how Tanakh calls him.

[marco]

[Replying to post 7 by marco]

By the definition presented by the OP's quote, yes. But, the moniker Muslim means a much different thing today. Hebrew is how Tanakh calls him.

Well in reality it is absurd to label Abraham a Muslim. He could not be Shia or Sunni since he had no knowledge of Fatima or Ali or Abu Bakr. Nor had he read Muhammad's book.

[brianbbs67]

[Replying to post 7 by marco]

By the definition presented by the OP's quote, yes. But, the moniker Muslim means a much different thing today. Hebrew is how Tanakh calls him.

Well in reality it is absurd to label Abraham a Muslim. He could not be Shia or Sunni since he had no knowledge of Fatima or Ali or Abu Bakr. Nor had he read Muhammad's book.

That is truth.