Why do fertility drugs work?

[OnceConvinced]

I hope I haven't already done a thread on this topic, but forgive me if I have.

The bible teaches us that every life is planned by God and that we are all knitted together in our mother's womb. (Psalm 139:13)

It also tells us that babies are a gift/blessing from God.' (Psalm 127:3)

If the above verses are true then how is it that fertility drugs can possibly work?

Why would God bless them with a child when they were clearly trying to work around his system?

People sometimes end up with multiple births when using these drugs and they can get multiple blessings. Surely this should never happen if the bible is correct?

[Divine Insight]

On the same subject:

Why would this God bless abusive parents with a child?

Why would this God allow any woman to become pregnant that had been raped?

Why does this God provide drug addicts with babies that will be born addicted to the drug?

Going back to Biblical times: Why would this God have blessed evil sinful women with babies when he knew he was going to drown them out?

So this problem runs quite deep.

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Edited to Add:

Why does this God bless the men of ISIS with children by placing new born babies in the wombs of the innocent women the men of ISIS had captured and forced to be their wives?

I'm sure this list goes on and on and on.

[imhereforyou]

I hope I haven't already done a thread on this topic, but forgive me if I have.

The bible teaches us that every life is planned by God and that we are all knitted together in our mother's womb. (Psalm 139:13)

It also tells us that babies are a gift/blessing from God.' (Psalm 127:3)

If the above verses are true then how is it that fertility drugs can possibly work?

Why would God bless them with a child when they were clearly trying to work around his system?

People sometimes end up with multiple births when using these drugs and they can get multiple blessings. Surely this should never happen if the bible is correct?

Depends on how you read and interpret the bible as well as put it into practice.
If one's clever enough they might be able to come out with biblical proof of a spaghetti monster.

But the same question has likely been asked throughout early medical history if doctors and medical healers are 'going against God' only to, eventually, be met with 'they're doing God's work' (why God can't solve these medical maladies himself is perplexing and illogical but hey - whatever works to justify one's own belief, huh?)

[OnceConvinced]

But the same question has likely been asked throughout early medical history if doctors and medical healers are 'going against God' only to, eventually, be met with 'they're doing God's work' (why God can't solve these medical maladies himself is perplexing and illogical but hey - whatever works to justify one's own belief, huh?)

Well lets say you had an atheist couple, if they were wanting to have a baby, they would not be doing God's work by taking fertility drugs. Hard to believe that God would bless atheists with a baby, unless of course atheists aren't such bad people.

Perhaps atheists are a bad example. Let's say two witches want to have a baby and they use fertility drugs. They end up with sextuplets. Why would God endow them with such blessings even though they worship a foreign god?

I can perhaps buy the possibility that God is such a wonderful God he might decide to let witches have some children. But multiple babies in one go? I'm sure there are Christians out there who would love God to bless them with that many in one go.

[JehovahsWitness]

I hope I haven't already done a thread on this topic, but forgive me if I have.

The bible teaches us that every life is planned by God and that we are all knitted together in our mother's womb. (Psalm 139:13)

I don't accept the premise because I do not interpret this scripture in the same way.

My interpretation is that once conceived (ie once an egg is fertilized by a sperm) that the developing foetus (which in its dna carries all the information as to the characteristics of the developing child) is known to God. Rather like he saw the mixture he knows what the cake will be like, rather than he has preordained all the cakes that will ever be baked.

It also tells us that babies are a gift/blessing from God.' (Psalm 127:3)

The bible also says that "every good and perfect gift is from above" including food but that doesn't mean that diets cannot possibly work. In other words I interpret the verse to mean that God (Jehovah) is the ultimate SOURCE of all the good things, not that the existence of individual gifts were preordained. In other words we can only have children because God gives us life and the gift of procreation

[1213]

The bible teaches us that every life is planned by God and that we are all knitted together in our mother's womb. (Psalm 139:13)

It is what David says about himself. It is not necessary about all people. And even if we would think it is about all people, it can mean that when God made the first DNA, He knit human together.

It also tells us that babies are a gift/blessing from God.' (Psalm 127:3)

That can be true, even if there is fertility drugs involved.

If the above verses are true then how is it that fertility drugs can possibly work?

Do they really work, or does it just seem like that?

Why would God bless them with a child when they were clearly trying to work around his system?

I don’t see any reason to think they were trying to work around His system.

People sometimes end up with multiple births when using these drugs and they can get multiple blessings. Surely this should never happen if the bible is correct?

I don’t see why it should not happen. It may have been God’s plan all along.

[OnceConvinced]

The bible teaches us that every life is planned by God and that we are all knitted together in our mother's womb. (Psalm 139:13)

It is what David says about himself. It is not necessary about all people. And even if we would think it is about all people, it can mean that when God made the first DNA, He knit human together.

Most of the scripture in bible is spoken or written to either individuals or groups of people. All of Paul's letters, for instance, were aimed at specific churches. Jesus words were directed at the disciples and people he was with at the time. If we are to flag one scripture away as not being relevant to us, then we should flag the majority of the bible away as not being relevant to us.

If the above verses are true then how is it that fertility drugs can possibly work?

Do they really work, or does it just seem like that?

If you do some research you will find that many people who gave birth to large numbers of babies at once had used fertility drugs. Do you want to say that's a coincidence?

Why would God bless them with a child when they were clearly trying to work around his system?

I don’t see any reason to think they were trying to work around His system.

If every life is planned by God, then indeed they are attempting to work around the system. They are attempting to bring about conception via artificial means. If God had no intention of allowing them to get pregnant the normal way, why would he suddenly bless them when they attempted to bi-pass the normal way?

People sometimes end up with multiple births when using these drugs and they can get multiple blessings. Surely this should never happen if the bible is correct?

I don’t see why it should not happen. It may have been God’s plan all along.

Why would God ever need them to take fertility drugs? He was able to impregnate a virgin. Surely he can say "abracadabra" and have someone struggling to get pregnant, get pregnant. He did it with Abraham's wife.

Abraham had to wait for years to get his kid. The bible teaches that as the epitome of faith because of it. If he had used fertility drugs back then, would he be held up as the role model of faith? Would God had blessed him with a child earlier?

[1213]

Most of the scripture in bible is spoken or written to either individuals or groups of people. All of Paul's letters, for instance, were aimed at specific churches. Jesus words were directed at the disciples and people he was with at the time. If we are to flag one scripture away as not being relevant to us, then we should flag the majority of the bible away as not being relevant to us.

I don’t mean it is not relevant. However, in case of what David says about himself, it is not necessary about all people. As in some other cases, the words are not necessary about all people. I think it is clear in the Bible, when it is for all people, or for disciples of Jesus (Christian means disciple of Jesus in the Bible).

If you do some research you will find that many people who gave birth to large numbers of babies at once had used fertility drugs. Do you want to say that's a coincidence?

It can easily be coincidence. Reason why it happens, may be that person believes and wants enough, and then it looks like the drug had something to do with it. (And by the way, if one can believe that all species have developed by coincidence, I think it is ridiculous not to believe that fertility coincidence).

If every life is planned by God, then indeed they are attempting to work around the system. They are attempting to bring about conception via artificial means. If God had no intention of allowing them to get pregnant the normal way, why would he suddenly bless them when they attempted to bi-pass the normal way?

It may be that God wants it to go that way. If there is difficulty to get a baby, person appreciates it more and it can be good therefore.

Why would God ever need them to take fertility drugs?

I don’t think God needs that.
But isn’t it true that fertility drugs don’t work always? Why do you think it is so? If they are really working, shouldn’t they working always?

[rikuoamero]

[Replying to post 5 by JehovahsWitness]

My interpretation is that once conceived (ie once an egg is fertilized by a sperm) that the developing foetus (which in its dna carries all the information as to the characteristics of the developing child) is known to God. Rather like he saw the mixture he knows what the cake will be like, rather than he has preordained all the cakes that will ever be baked.

Strange isn't it? That's God's omniscience (taken from https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/102005167 )
GOD is fittingly described as omnipotent and omniscient—almighty and all-knowing.
God is indeed omnipotent, and he is omniscient in the sense that nothing can be hidden from him.
doesn't activate, if I can use the term, until the quote unquote ingredients are mixed together. No, apparently, before the ingredients are mixed together, he...what? Has no knowledge of the cake or in this case, human?

I'd like to ask why is it that theists who argue that there is in fact an all knowing God, when questioned about it, place limits on this God's knowledge?
Are these theists like an ISP, who advertise unlimited broadband, and then, in their fine print, then put a number?

[OnceConvinced]

It can easily be coincidence. Reason why it happens, may be that person believes and wants enough, and then it looks like the drug had something to do with it.

I have never heard of the power of positive thinking resulting in the conception of babies. How would that work scientifically? If it were possible, Abraham would have got his wife pregnant a lot sooner.

I could believe that conception was a coincidence if it was just one baby that was conceived. Not when its multiple births though.

And by the way, if one can believe that all species have developed by coincidence, I think it is ridiculous not to believe that fertility coincidence

Who would believe something as absurd as species developing by coincidence? I know of know believer in evolution that thinks that. I think you have a giant misunderstanding of evolution there.

When I look at evolution I see an inevitable outcome, not coincidence. Much like if you take fertility drugs, the inevitable outcome is that you will have a greater chance of multiple births at once.

If every life is planned by God, then indeed they are attempting to work around the system. They are attempting to bring about conception via artificial means. If God had no intention of allowing them to get pregnant the normal way, why would he suddenly bless them when they attempted to bi-pass the normal way?

It may be that God wants it to go that way.

Why would he when he can just say Abracadabra and have them fertile?

If there is difficulty to get a baby, person appreciates it more and it can be good therefore.

I've known infertile people. My current partner is one of them. Having to take fertility treatment was an extremely frustrating and long winded process. IN the end she was only able to have one child. If God had waved a magic wand and made her fertile, rather than having to go through all that nonsense, she would have been a lot happier and maybe even had more kids. She may have even developed faith in God as a result of it. Instead she had to settle for only one child.

I don’t think God needs that.
But isn’t it true that fertility drugs don’t work always?

How is that relevant to the discussion?

Why do you think it is so? If they are really working, shouldn’t they working always?

Just like any drug, it's not a guaranteed solution. However a god performing magic should be guaranteed.

BTW, so far your argument has not addressed the question of why God would bless anyone with multiple births when they didn't have the faith or the patience to wait for God's timing. Bear in mind many people that use these drugs are not believers in God. So why would God bless those people? If it was to have them gain faith in God, it certainly didn't work for my partner. In fact all it showed her was that if you wanted something done, you took action yourself, and waiting on a god to do something was a complete waste of time.