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Replying to post 19 by 2timothy316]
Explain how who we are is contained in the breath of God if all of us are different individuals and what is the breath of God. In Scripture please, thank you.
It is a GIFT that we are individuals, but in the quintessence of our being, we are not different at all. That quintessence is the 'breath of GOD' - the conscious self aware intelligent creative quality which enables 'I AM" to be understood and exclaimed.
Even our human forms are not different enough to qualify being called a different species. Because we are so alike, calling each other 'human' is perfectly acceptable.
So in that, while the form allows for different perspectives which are individual, this does not mean that we are actually any
different from each other.
Also, there is no requirement on my part to 'explain' my understanding 'in scripture' because the bible itself has contradictory notions as to what happens re afterlife so each of us can pick and choose as we will.
Two things when we die. We lose our spirit and we return to dust or the ground. Now, the person we are, our attitude, our wants, our memories etc. are part of which piece? The breath or the dust? Psalms 146:4 tells us which one, "His spirit goes out, he returns to the ground; On that very day his thoughts perish." If the breath or spirit is eternal then our thoughts wouldn't perish...but they do perish. That means the person we are is in the dust and without the spirit we are nothing but dust. We are formed not from breath or spirit.
What you are saying there is that you believe in biblical passages which confirm for you that you are simply flesh.
Jesus said 'that which is flesh is flesh' so you are indeed welcome to self identify as being only that which lives and dies and rots and eventually turns to dust, if that is your preference.
What your interpretation tells me is that it hasn't been well thought through - or perhaps it has and you haven't seen the need to explain the contradiction apparent?
You also believe that you will be reconstructed somehow and all your memory of life as a human being restored.
Thus;
The contradiction apparent:
On the belief that when someone dies that is the end of them. HOW are they supposed to be resurrected as the same people who died and became no more?
See? It makes no sense. Either their
body died but the individual consciousness continued to experience living, or they truly did die and a whole new being is later created and assigned the actions of the dead who no longer exist.
It is a contradiction to think that both these things are possible.
As part of that - how was the information of a past life regarding these supposed dead and now resurrected individuals kept?
If the human dies and so too, the consciousness which consisted of that human, the brain as well - everything to do with the person including the persons Data of Experience, how is it that the DoE is kept? Where is the DoE stored? Why does the DoE not also perish with the individual?
Do you believe that the Data of Experience is essentially the persona or are these separate from the individual, as in the individual is the body and dies, but the DoE is saved for future use?
See? The problem with your belief is that it is a far more complicated way of doing/achieving an outcome, which can be done far more effectively, such as the theology I speak of throughout my
members notes, which does not contradict biblical references, unless of course such biblical references contradict themselves.
And they do, so the individual is thus free to pick and choose throughout the sorting wheat from chaff process.
But 'sorry', I don't buy your particular belief about what happens when a person dies. If the persons DoE survives the persons death, then the person might as well survive it as well, because these are essentially the same thing...the soul aspects of the individuate aspect of GOD consciousness.
In fairness, I have also experienced OOBE and as such I can understand the idea of being separate from the flesh and consciously experiencing an alternate reality, so it is only natural that I would give more credence to biblical references which align with personal experience.
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My thoughts on death.
