The Last Days

Justin108 · Post by **Justin108** » Wed Dec 20, 2017 6:07 am

For those believing we live in "the Last Days", a few questions...

1. How do you define "the last days"?

2. When do you think "the last days" officially started?

3. How long a period do you expect "the last days" to last? Considering the name "the last days", should one not expect the last days to be... a few days? If you think the last days have been going on since 1914, shouldn't it then be called "the last decades" or at least "the last years"? Does the term "the last days" not strongly imply a period of just a few days?

4. How would you distinguish the last days from the not-so-last days? How would the world have to look like for us to not be living in the last days? For example, suppose you believe we live in the last days due to war and natural disasters. Would your idea of the not-so-last days be a world completely void of war and natural disasters? What was the tipping point for you? What exactly happened that made you think "ok it's officially the last days"? Was it a specific war? A specific disaster? A specific president?

5. How long do you estimate "the last days" to last? Will the end of the world be next year? Before 2020? Will it be this century? Will it be this millennium?

Justin108 · Post by **Justin108** » Thu Dec 21, 2017 6:26 am

JehovahsWitness wrote: the Lord said nobody is in a position to predict a precise year ( "day or hour") as you have done with your date.

JW

But it's ok to predict the start of the end days as Jehovah's Witnesses did? Or did Jehovah's Witnesses come up with the 1914 figure after 1914?

Justin108 · Post by **Justin108** » Thu Dec 21, 2017 6:27 am

JehovahsWitness wrote:
Justin108 wrote:Why do you believe so? The Jehovah's Witnesses of the 1900's probably believed it would happen in that century as well. If "the last days" weren't wrapped up in the last 100 years, why do you expect it will be wrapped up in the next 100 years?

Because I believe we are living at the time Jesus prophecied about, prophecies that identify our times as being the "last days"

JW

I ask why you believe it, and you respond with "because I believe it". Ok then...

JehovahsWitness · Post by **JehovahsWitness** » Thu Dec 21, 2017 7:05 am

Justin108 wrote:
JehovahsWitness wrote: the Lord said nobody is in a position to predict a precise year ( "day or hour") as you have done with your date.

JW
But it's ok to predict the start of the end days as Jehovah's Witnesses did?

Emphasis MINE

Yes, this is perfectly fine because the bible does contain a number of "time prophecies" given in order to be able to calculate when certain certain events will occur. The beginning of the "last days" (or what we often refer to as end of the "gentile times" ) is one such example.

JW

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JehovahsWitness · Post by **JehovahsWitness** » Thu Dec 21, 2017 7:13 am

Justin108 wrote:Did Jehovah's Witnesses come up with the 1914 figure after 1914?

No, as early as 1877 the early bible students (as Jehovah's Witnesses were then known) preached that 1914 woud mark the end of the "gentile times" (an expresssion based on a prophecy found in Daniel 4). They figured it would mark a time of great distress on earth and on this point they were absolutely correct, what they were wrong about however was what exactly that would mean for them.

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Justin108 · Post by **Justin108** » Thu Dec 21, 2017 7:19 am

JehovahsWitness wrote:
Justin108 wrote:Did Jehovah's Witnesses come up with the 1914 figure after 1914?
No, as early as 1877 the early bible students (as Jehovah's Witnesses were then known) preached that 1914 woud mark the end of the "gentile times" (an expresssion based on a prophecy found in Daniel 4). They figured it would mark a time of great distress on earth and on this point they were absolutely correct, what they were wrong about however was what exactly that would mean for them.

Given the vast amount of failed predictions, the fact that one actually stuck is hardly impressive. Even a broken watch is right twice a day.

JehovahsWitness · Post by **JehovahsWitness** » Thu Dec 21, 2017 7:20 am

Justin108 wrote:I ask why you believe ...

WHY BELIEVE WE ARE LIVING IN THE LAST DAYS?

I believe it because I see the events of the 20th and 21st century as being the fulfilment of the prophecies that Jesus (and other bible writers) provided to identify the " last days " which, according to bible chronology, started in 1914.

JW

FURTHER READING:

Are We Living in the Last Days?
https://www.jw.org/en/publications/book ... last-days/

1914: A Significant Year in Bible Prophecy
https://www.jw.org/en/publications/book ... -prophecy/

2timothy316 · Post by **2timothy316** » Thu Dec 21, 2017 9:05 am

[Replying to post 24 by JehovahsWitness]

One note here: The end of the period known as 'appointed time of the nations' was always in the Bible. The Bible Students (what JWs were known as in the 19th century) discovered it. Much like how atoms have always been around it just took some people looking really closely to find them. The same is true of understanding the conclusion of the 'gentile times'. It was always there but Daniel was clear that it wouldn't be understood until the 'end of days'. Even Daniel didn't understand at the time and he was the writer. It wouldn't be until the Bible was completed that anyone could figure out when Jesus would reclaim the kingship. Even after its completion it would be another 1800 years before anyone went looking for the end of the gentile times. JWs were not the only ones to concur with the prophecy of the end of the gentile times. Many people of many religions understand there this was a set time for the nations of the world. JWs (AKA Bible Students) are the only ones I know of that used reasonable clues to come up with a date. Everyone else appears to by just guessing. Pointing at events and saying 'that's it'. JWs are the only ones that knew it before it happened. Everyone else is pointing to things after the fact.

Daniel also said that many will understand what is happening and refine themselves for righteousness. Others will not understand and will lack insight. Now that time is here and now I think I understand why it says 'the wicked ones will act wickedly' they do this by denying evidence that is right in front of them. (Daniel 12:813)

2timothy316 · Post by **2timothy316** » Thu Dec 21, 2017 9:13 am

Justin108 wrote: Was the definition in there somewhere? Probably. But I'm not exactly eager to delve through paragraph after paragraph to finally find an answer to my question.

Yes, I know this. This failure to delve into information for answers is one of the reasons no one knew about the prophecy of Daniel. People 'not exactly eager' in educating themselves of information that sits right in front of them.

So if you wish to keep yourself in the dark, by my guest. I can lead a horse to water....you know the rest. I can only inform, I cannot be eager to delve into information or learn for you. If you are still having a hard time understanding what people are telling you, then perhaps it is time to change and become eager and learn to delve in?

brianbbs67 · Post by **brianbbs67** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 12:18 am

1. No one knows, nor ever will till He shows up.

2. All time from here forward and back is the last days. As our days are numbered.

Justin108 · Post by **Justin108** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 1:31 am

2timothy316 wrote:
Justin108 wrote: Was the definition in there somewhere? Probably. But I'm not exactly eager to delve through paragraph after paragraph to finally find an answer to my question.
Yes, I know this. This failure to delve into information for answers is one of the reasons no one knew about the prophecy of Daniel. People 'not exactly eager' in educating themselves of information that sits right in front of them.

So if you wish to keep yourself in the dark, by my guest. I can lead a horse to water....you know the rest. I can only inform, I cannot be eager to delve into information or learn for you. If you are still having a hard time understanding what people are telling you, then perhaps it is time to change and become eager and learn to delve in?

There are literally millions of books in the world. Can you give me good reason to focus on the Bible over all others?

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