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Why did God intervene in Exodus but not during the Holocaust

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Why did God intervene in Exodus but not during the Holocaust?

Most would agree genocide to be worse than slavery. Not only is killing the Jews worse than enslaving him, but far more Jews were involved in the Holocaust than were enslaved in Egypt. The Holocaust killed around 6 million Jews whereas the Jewish slaves in Egypt were a few hundred thousand. Wouldn't it have made more sense for God to intervene during the Holocaust than for him to intervene during Exodus?

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Maybe god ran out of plague ideas.

Maybe it was all part of the master plan that we just aren't supposed to understand. You got to get them out of Egypt so they can multiply and spread or else Hitler doesn't have 6 million victims available to him...

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Kenisaw wrote: [Replying to post 1 by Justin108]

Maybe god ran out of plague ideas.

Maybe it was all part of the master plan that we just aren't supposed to understand. You got to get them out of Egypt so they can multiply and spread or else Hitler doesn't have 6 million victims available to him...
RESPONSE: The Hebrews were never in Egypt and the Exodus is just a folk tale. The first 7 books of the Bible were written during the 800-700 BC time frame

See

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bible_Unearthed

www.nytimes.com/books/first/f/finkelstein-bible.html

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Well, God did intervene!

When we review the history of WW2, it is clear that the Nazi regime was intent on exterminating and/or enslaving all the Jews in Europe and beyond. But, that didn’t happen, because of God’s intervention!

In 1933 there were about 9.5 million Jews in Europe, while in 1945 there were about 3.8 million. Today, there are about 1.6 million Jews living in Europe. However, the shift in population of the Jews is quite evident, where about 5 million reside in Israel and about 6.5 million are located in the U.S.

There are several opinions about: What was the turning point of WW2? But, one sticks-out as being quite bizarre and it deals with the pros and cons of confidence and self-pride, which the bible deals with extensively.

In June 22, 1941, four million German troops poured over the Russian border. Within one month, over 2-1/2 million Russians had been killed, wounded or captured. The Germans made tremendous advances into portions of Russia such as: Moscow, Leningrad and Stalingrad. And then winter hit. The Germans were caught in summer uniforms and it was “a bitter, cold winter that year.� This was the beginning of the end (or a plague sent by God)! The German Sixth Army in Russia never recovered and was almost completely destroyed… (Major events of WW2)

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FWI wrote: [Replying to post 1 by Justin108]

Well, God did intervene!

When we review the history of WW2, it is clear that the Nazi regime was intent on exterminating and/or enslaving all the Jews in Europe and beyond. But, that didn’t happen, because of God’s intervention!

In 1933 there were about 9.5 million Jews in Europe, while in 1945 there were about 3.8 million. Today, there are about 1.6 million Jews living in Europe. However, the shift in population of the Jews is quite evident, where about 5 million reside in Israel and about 6.5 million are located in the U.S.

There are several opinions about: What was the turning point of WW2? But, one sticks-out as being quite bizarre and it deals with the pros and cons of confidence and self-pride, which the bible deals with extensively.

In June 22, 1941, four million German troops poured over the Russian border. Within one month, over 2-1/2 million Russians had been killed, wounded or captured. The Germans made tremendous advances into portions of Russia such as: Moscow, Leningrad and Stalingrad. And then winter hit. The Germans were caught in summer uniforms and it was “a bitter, cold winter that year.� This was the beginning of the end (or a plague sent by God)! The German Sixth Army in Russia never recovered and was almost completely destroyed… (Major events of WW2)
Bad military judgement is not evidence that a god creature intervened in WWII. Considering the millions that died in concentation camps, if that was an intervention than it was the most useless intervention that a supposed Omni-creature could ever come up with...

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When we review the history of WW2, it is clear that the Nazi regime was intent on exterminating and/or enslaving all the Jews in Europe and beyond. But, that didn’t happen, because of God’s intervention!
So many real men gave their lives to stop that, and you give credit to God. I suppose you are one of those who doesn't believe Nazi Germany was German Catholic Germany, and stated it was God commanding them, just like every other leader of genocide.
You do know it was God who commanded the genocide of North and South American Indians? You do know that God commanded Hitler to kill 4 million Jews and 11 million of the rest of us? Who else has the authority.
In 1933 there were about 9.5 million Jews in Europe, while in 1945 there were about 3.8 million. Today, there are about 1.6 million Jews living in Europe. However, the shift in population of the Jews is quite evident, where about 5 million reside in Israel and about 6.5 million are located in the U.S.
Yes, people used to believe that heavier than air vehicles couldn't fly. Now everyone believes in airplanes.
That's the thing about the truth, all one needs to do is see it and everyone is converted.
Lies and belief on the other hand, come in fractions of factions.

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FWI wrote: [Replying to post 1 by Justin108]

Well, God did intervene!

When we review the history of WW2, it is clear that the Nazi regime was intent on exterminating and/or enslaving all the Jews in Europe and beyond. But, that didn’t happen, because of God’s intervention!

In 1933 there were about 9.5 million Jews in Europe, while in 1945 there were about 3.8 million. Today, there are about 1.6 million Jews living in Europe. However, the shift in population of the Jews is quite evident, where about 5 million reside in Israel and about 6.5 million are located in the U.S.

There are several opinions about: What was the turning point of WW2? But, one sticks-out as being quite bizarre and it deals with the pros and cons of confidence and self-pride, which the bible deals with extensively.

In June 22, 1941, four million German troops poured over the Russian border. Within one month, over 2-1/2 million Russians had been killed, wounded or captured. The Germans made tremendous advances into portions of Russia such as: Moscow, Leningrad and Stalingrad. And then winter hit. The Germans were caught in summer uniforms and it was “a bitter, cold winter that year.� This was the beginning of the end (or a plague sent by God)! The German Sixth Army in Russia never recovered and was almost completely destroyed… (Major events of WW2)
Napoleon made the same mistake. But winter is not "a plague sent by God." It happens predictably every year and for the same reason. It's because the earth tilts back and forth on its axis causing different portions of the earth to receive more, or less, of the sun's radiant energy. It's all about quantum mechanics. God has nothing to do with it. What beat both Hitler and Napoleon was their arrogance. Because the Russian winter happens every year as regularly as clockwork.
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FWI wrote:


In June 22, 1941, four million German troops poured over the Russian border. Within one month, over 2-1/2 million Russians had been killed, wounded or captured. The Germans made tremendous advances into portions of Russia such as: Moscow, Leningrad and Stalingrad. And then winter hit. The Germans were caught in summer uniforms and it was “a bitter, cold winter that year.� This was the beginning of the end (or a plague sent by God)! The German Sixth Army in Russia never recovered and was almost completely destroyed… (Major events of WW2)

Yes, God used that tactic against Napoleon, though theologians don't know why. General Winter wiped out over 80% of Napoleon's Grand Army. So God probably put the wrong idea into Hitler's head, causing him to lose the war. But that doesn't explain why he waited till 6 million of his people were massacred.
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Correction, people whom vaingloriously claim to be his people, without any proof at all.
I will never understand how someone who claims to know the ultimate truth, of God, believes they deserve respect, when they cannot distinguish it from a fairy-tale.

You know, science and logic are hard: Religion and fairy tales might be more your speed.

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Willum wrote: [Replying to post 8 by marco]

Correction, people whom vaingloriously claim to be his people, without any proof at all.

For the sake of answering the OP I am going by God's biography where it seems he shows a distinct preference. He did something miraculous to the Red Sea and I don't think it was for Alexander.

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