Atheistic Foundation of Objective Morality

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Atheistic Foundation of Objective Morality

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So, this would be a question to those who believe that objective morality can be founded upon an atheistic worldview. What is the objective foundation?

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Purple Knight wrote: Sun Oct 09, 2022 12:38 am
JoeyKnothead wrote: Thu Oct 06, 2022 3:48 amAll morality is subjective.
I would call that a moral statement that's non-subjective. Am I wrong?
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AgnosticBoy wrote: Wed Oct 05, 2022 9:57 pmAn amoral Universe is an alternative to an objective moral system that views morality like a law of nature. I presume that is how objective morals would exist.

I think another alternative is that morality is a feature of certain beings and not others, where humans could have moral duties, but, say, a lion wouldn’t.
AgnosticBoy wrote: Wed Oct 05, 2022 9:57 pmThere are a lot of content and steps that need to be logically accounted for there, and I've yet to see anything that doesn't boil down to sociocultural conditioning.

I agree.

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JoeyKnothead wrote: Sun Oct 09, 2022 4:02 am
Purple Knight wrote: Sun Oct 09, 2022 12:38 am
JoeyKnothead wrote: Thu Oct 06, 2022 3:48 amAll morality is subjective.
I would call that a moral statement that's non-subjective. Am I wrong?
It depends on how upset one gets to learn it.
I might be getting you wrong here but what I get from that is that someone who gets very upset to learn morality is relative is still a zealot, and once he comes around he'll be using "morality is subjective" to beat people over the head who think it's not subjective. And that's what you don't want out of morality being subjective: People using morality to browbeat.

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The Tanager wrote: Thu Mar 01, 2018 5:35 pm So, this would be a question to those who believe that objective morality can be founded upon an atheistic worldview. What is the objective foundation?
IMO
Morals are like Math. Both were discovered rather than invented.

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Purple Knight wrote: Mon Oct 10, 2022 1:10 pm
JoeyKnothead wrote: Sun Oct 09, 2022 4:02 am
Purple Knight wrote: Sun Oct 09, 2022 12:38 am
JoeyKnothead wrote: Thu Oct 06, 2022 3:48 amAll morality is subjective.
I would call that a moral statement that's non-subjective. Am I wrong?
It depends on how upset one gets to learn it.
I might be getting you wrong here but what I get from that is that someone who gets very upset to learn morality is relative is still a zealot, and once he comes around he'll be using "morality is subjective" to beat people over the head who think it's not subjective. And that's what you don't want out of morality being subjective: People using morality to browbeat.
The browbeaters, like life, will find a way. Morality's only one excuse.
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JoeyKnothead wrote: Mon Oct 10, 2022 3:21 pm The browbeaters, like life, will find a way. Morality's only one excuse.
I've always found morality to be the only excuse. Otherwise they have to justify it with logic.

I find politeness to be a form of morality. Saying everything is rude and using that against people isn't much different than saying everything is immoral.

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