Predestination Questions

[imhereforyou]

Reading through some of Guru's thread I wanted to ask but, so as not to hijack their thread I started a new one as I'm curious about predestination for those that believe in it:

Is predestination 100% or simply the end result?
Meaning, is it only predestination when it comes to the end of your life (or whatever point you wish to choose for sake of discussion), or is every single iota of life also predestined (you were predestined to choose that blueberry muffin and not this one)?

Also, if we're predestined (for hell, for example) is that truly fair to the individuals that go to hell?

[brianbbs67]

I would say no to predestination. God may know what we will, ultimately choose, but doesn't force us to do that. He is good. I think people use predestination as a crutch to relieve them of guilt(in their minds).

[imhereforyou]

[Replying to post 2 by brianbbs67]

Interesting - thanks for the input.
Couldn't all religious ideals be seen as a crutch to some degree?

[brianbbs67]

[Replying to post 2 by brianbbs67]

Interesting - thanks for the input.
Couldn't all religious ideals be seen as a crutch to some degree?

Only if they excuse you from your actions.

[ttruscott]

Is predestination 100% or simply the end result?

I just answered this yesterday but I don't see it so it must have been elsewhere...

PCE Christianity contends that every person created in GOD's image chose their own FATE (their end result) by their free will but to ensure the most perfect redemption of HIS elect (who chose to end in of heaven) yet also chose to be sinful, GOD has predetermined all LIVES here on earth in conformity to their choices... This also insures that no one suffers any more than their sins deserve while most get some rain and sun (blessings) in their lives.

Predestination is merely a prophecy describing the inevitable fulfillment of HIS promise of election (chosen to end in heaven) to those to be saved from any and all sin. Our free will causes our end fate; HIS predestination of our lives is the result of our choice, corroborating and fulfilling our choice of fates, not the cause of our fate.

[imhereforyou]

[Replying to post 2 by brianbbs67]

Interesting - thanks for the input.
Couldn't all religious ideals be seen as a crutch to some degree?

Only if they excuse you from your actions.

Aren't many religions set up for that?
Excuse, forgiveness, etc?

[imhereforyou]

[Replying to post 5 by ttruscott]

Apologies if I missed it, but where (at what time) do people make this decision?
Is it during their lives or before?

[ttruscott]

[Replying to post 5 by ttruscott]

Apologies if I missed it, but where (at what time) do people make this decision?
Is it during their lives or before?

Well of course it must have be when we were alive but our human lives are not the beginning of our 'life.'

Our creation was before the creation of the physical universe which we saw, Job 38:7 and sang HIS praises which gave no one any more excuse for not worshipping HIM as GOD, Rom 1:20.

This heterodox Christian theology is often referred to as Pre-Conception Existence theology. I myself reject the more ordinary appellation of pre-existence as implying we were living before we were living, ie, created.

All those who chose to sin against GOD during this time were sent to Earth as a prison for them...Revelation 12: 7 And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought, 8 but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them[a] in heaven any longer. 9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Only sinners are born on earth and Matt 13:36-39 is most instructive.

[imhereforyou]

[Replying to post 5 by ttruscott]

Apologies if I missed it, but where (at what time) do people make this decision?
Is it during their lives or before?

Well of course it must have be when we were alive but our human lives are not the beginning of our 'life.'

Our creation was before the creation of the physical universe which we saw, Job 38:7 and sang HIS praises which gave no one any more excuse for not worshipping HIM as GOD, Rom 1:20.

This heterodox Christian theology is often referred to as Pre-Conception Existence theology. I myself reject the more ordinary appellation of pre-existence as implying we were living before we were living, ie, created.

All those who chose to sin against GOD during this time were sent to Earth as a prison for them...Revelation 12: 7 And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought, 8 but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them[a] in heaven any longer. 9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Only sinners are born on earth and Matt 13:36-39 is most instructive.

Well of course it must have be when we were alive but our human lives are not the beginning of our 'life.'

It is safe to understand that, IYO, our lives and our life have different time frames?

[TripleZ]

I would say no to predestination. God may know what we will, ultimately choose, but doesn't force us to do that. He is good. I think people use predestination as a crutch to relieve them of guilt(in their minds).

To show you Gods word on this;
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Isa 46:10 At the beginning I announce the end, proclaim in advance things not yet done; and I say that my plan will hold, I will do everything I please to do.

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