Predestination Questions

[imhereforyou]

Reading through some of Guru's thread I wanted to ask but, so as not to hijack their thread I started a new one as I'm curious about predestination for those that believe in it:

Is predestination 100% or simply the end result?
Meaning, is it only predestination when it comes to the end of your life (or whatever point you wish to choose for sake of discussion), or is every single iota of life also predestined (you were predestined to choose that blueberry muffin and not this one)?

Also, if we're predestined (for hell, for example) is that truly fair to the individuals that go to hell?

[ttruscott]

I am guessing the Presbers. Presbertatians have absorbed this doctrine. You are either in the book of life or not. No evangelism necessassary.

Evangelism is 'necessary' not to try to change the non-elect to elect, the goats to lost sheep or the tares to sinful good seed...but to teach the sinful elect, the lost sheep, ie, the people of the kingdom that the tares, the goats, will NEVER respond the gospel because they can't - they are condemned already, Jn 3:18, and by their own free will decison are predestined to hell.

That is why when the judgement was postponed, Matt 13: 28 “ ‘An enemy did this,’ he replied. “The servants asked him, ‘Do you want us to go and pull them up?’ 29 “ ‘No,’ he answered, ‘because while you are pulling the weeds, you may uproot the wheat with them., they were sentenced to live together with the reprobate people of the evil one: Matt 13:30 Let both grow together until the harvest. with Matt 13:38 The field is the world, and the good seed stands for the people of the kingdom. The weeds are the people of the evil one, 39 and the enemy who sows them is the devil.

[TripleZ]

Reading through some of Guru's thread I wanted to ask but, so as not to hijack their thread I started a new one as I'm curious about predestination for those that believe in it:

Is predestination 100% or simply the end result?
Meaning, is it only predestination when it comes to the end of your life (or whatever point you wish to choose for sake of discussion), or is every single iota of life also predestined (you were predestined to choose that blueberry muffin and not this one)?

Also, if we're predestined (for hell, for example) is that truly fair to the individuals that go to hell?

Read this;
Isa 46:8 Remember this, and stand firm. Keep it in mind, you rebels.
Isa 46:9 "Remember things that happened at the beginning, long ago — that I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me.
Isa 46:10 At the beginning I announce the end, proclaim in advance things not yet done; and I say that my plan will hold, I will do everything I please to do.
Isa 46:11 I call a bird of prey from the east, the man I intended, from a distant country. I have spoken and will bring it about; I have made a plan, and I will fulfill it.
Isa 46:12 Listen to me, you stubborn people, so far from righteousness:
Isa 46:13 I am bringing my justice nearer, it is not far away; my salvation will not be delayed, I will place my salvation in Tziyon for Isra'el my glory.

does Gods word, above, help you understand Gods word ?

[TripleZ]

I would say no to predestination. God may know what we will, ultimately choose, but doesn't force us to do that. He is good. I think people use predestination as a crutch to relieve them of guilt(in their minds).

yes indeed you have a good point but, I have never heard of " predestination " being God forcing us to do things ? God told Adam, NOT to eat..

[JumpingJackFlash]

Reading through some of Guru's thread I wanted to ask but, so as not to hijack their thread I started a new one as I'm curious about predestination for those that believe in it:

Is predestination 100% or simply the end result?
Meaning, is it only predestination when it comes to the end of your life (or whatever point you wish to choose for sake of discussion), or is every single iota of life also predestined (you were predestined to choose that blueberry muffin and not this one)?

Also, if we're predestined (for hell, for example) is that truly fair to the individuals that go to hell?

Everything, is predetermined by something else, before it takes place.
Therefore can you tell me one thing, anything, that was or is or will not be
predestined into existence?

[onewithhim]

Reading through some of Guru's thread I wanted to ask but, so as not to hijack their thread I started a new one as I'm curious about predestination for those that believe in it:

Is predestination 100% or simply the end result?
Meaning, is it only predestination when it comes to the end of your life (or whatever point you wish to choose for sake of discussion), or is every single iota of life also predestined (you were predestined to choose that blueberry muffin and not this one)?

Also, if we're predestined (for hell, for example) is that truly fair to the individuals that go to hell?

When you think about it, predestination doesn't make sense. God would have to be a ruthless ogre to allow such bizarre circumstances. He wants his creations to really love him from the heart. He won't program their affection---which wouldn't be real. And he certainly wouldn't program one's every move and choice.

We have to look at God's personality. Does he have high standards of morality, justice, honesty, impartiality, love, mercy and kindness? God's use of foreknowledge must harmonize with these standards. To predestine every thought and move is not correlating with those standards.

[TheHolyGhost]

Reading through some of Guru's thread I wanted to ask but, so as not to hijack their thread I started a new one as I'm curious about predestination for those that believe in it:

Is predestination 100% or simply the end result?
Meaning, is it only predestination when it comes to the end of your life (or whatever point you wish to choose for sake of discussion), or is every single iota of life also predestined (you were predestined to choose that blueberry muffin and not this one)?

Also, if we're predestined (for hell, for example) is that truly fair to the individuals that go to hell?

When you think about it, predestination doesn't make sense. God would have to be a ruthless ogre to allow such bizarre circumstances. He wants his creations to really love him from the heart. He won't program their affection---which wouldn't be real. And he certainly wouldn't program one's every move and choice.

We have to look at God's personality. Does he have high standards of morality, justice, honesty, impartiality, love, mercy and kindness? God's use of foreknowledge must harmonize with these standards. To predestine every thought and move is not correlating with those standards.

Name one thing, anything, that was not predetermined by what came before it?