This Generation Will Not Pass Away:

[Overcomer]

Jesus talks about the destruction of the temple and signs of the end times in Matt. 24:1-35:

1 Jesus left the temple and was walking away when his disciples came up to him to call his attention to its buildings. 2 “Do you see all these things?� he asked. “Truly I tell you, not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down.�

3 As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. “Tell us,� they said, “when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?�

4 Jesus answered: “Watch out that no one deceives you. 5 For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Messiah,’ and will deceive many. 6 You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7 Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8 All these are the beginning of birth pains.

9 “Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. 10 At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, 11 and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. 12 Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, 13 but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

15 “So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’[a] spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand— 16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let no one on the housetop go down to take anything out of the house. 18 Let no one in the field go back to get their cloak. 19 How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! 20 Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath. 21 For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again.

22 “If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened. 23 At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah!’ or, ‘There he is!’ do not believe it. 24 For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 25 See, I have told you ahead of time.

26 “So if anyone tells you, ‘There he is, out in the wilderness,’ do not go out; or, ‘Here he is, in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. 27 For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 28 Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather.

29 “Immediately after the distress of those days


“‘the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’

30 “Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth[c] will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.[d] 31 And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.

32 “Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. 33 Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it[e] is near, right at the door. 34 Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. 35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.

Verse 34 has been the subject of many a debate. My questions are as follows:

What did Jesus mean when he said "this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened?" Who is "this generation"?

[Andyb7777777]

What did Jesus mean when he said "this generation will certainly not pass

away until all these things have happened?" Who is "this generation"?

... if he were referring to another generation he would have said "that" not "this" generation.

Had he been writing a treatise, where readers have the chance to examine his words for depth, looking for less obvious meanings would be justified. If he's talking to a group of people he is COMMUNICATING, not wrapping his words in obscurity. His words are spoken AT his listeners, FOR his listeners and there is only one way they can understand them. We are constantly told to take context into consideration but that seems not to apply when it involves concluding Jesus was in error.

When Jesus spoke these words the passage needs to be taken as whole with Jesus's words spoken before

Mathew 24 32 “Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. 33 Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it[e] is near, right at the door. 34 Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. 35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.

Jesus was being prophetic and talking about the rebirth of Israel this is when the prophetic clock started ticking on may 14th 1948 and this is the generation i believe that Jesus was talking about, that all things will come to pass that Jesus spoke of before this generation has passed away, were 71 years into this generation and the clock is definately ticking.

[Elijah John]

What did Jesus mean when he said "this generation will certainly not pass

away until all these things have happened?" Who is "this generation"?

... if he were referring to another generation he would have said "that" not "this" generation.

Had he been writing a treatise, where readers have the chance to examine his words for depth, looking for less obvious meanings would be justified. If he's talking to a group of people he is COMMUNICATING, not wrapping his words in obscurity. His words are spoken AT his listeners, FOR his listeners and there is only one way they can understand them. We are constantly told to take context into consideration but that seems not to apply when it involves concluding Jesus was in error.

I agree, the simplest, most obvious reading is that Jesus (or the Gospel evangelist) was simply wrong. But those who worship Jesus as God cannot admit this, because the implications for such an admission would destroy orthodoxy.

If Jesus was wrong, he cannot be God. If Jesus is not God, then worshiping him is a form of idolatry.

If the Gospel evangelist was wrong in putting those erroneous words on Jesus lips, what else is suspect in the NT? Is there any reason to believe Jesus is God apart from the New Testament? I don't see it...

[Andyb7777777]

What did Jesus mean when he said "this generation will certainly not pass

away until all these things have happened?" Who is "this generation"?

... if he were referring to another generation he would have said "that" not "this" generation.

Had he been writing a treatise, where readers have the chance to examine his words for depth, looking for less obvious meanings would be justified. If he's talking to a group of people he is COMMUNICATING, not wrapping his words in obscurity. His words are spoken AT his listeners, FOR his listeners and there is only one way they can understand them. We are constantly told to take context into consideration but that seems not to apply when it involves concluding Jesus was in error.

I agree, the simplest, most obvious reading is that Jesus (or the Gospel evangelist) was simply wrong. But those who worship Jesus as God cannot admit this, because the implications for such an admission would destroy orthodoxy.

If Jesus was wrong, he cannot be God. If Jesus is not God, then worshiping him is a form of idolatry.

If the Gospel evangelist was wrong in putting those erroneous words on Jesus lips, what else is suspect in the NT? Is there any reason to believe Jesus is God apart from the New Testament? I don't see it...

When Jesus spoke these words the passage needs to be taken as whole, this passage on its own without the full passage can be taken out of context if not read as a whole, Israel was often referred as a fig tree and symbolism was used often in Jesus's parables and prophetic language.

Mathew 24 32 “Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. 33 Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it[e] is near, right at the door. 34 Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. 35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.

Jesus was being prophetic and talking about the rebirth of Israel this is when the prophetic clock started ticking on may 14th 1948 and this is the generation i believe that Jesus was talking about, that all things will come to pass that Jesus spoke of before this generation has passed away, were 71 years into this generation and the clock is definately ticking.

[marco]

Jesus was being prophetic and talking about the rebirth of Israel this is when the prophetic clock started ticking on may 14th 1948 and this is the generation i believe that Jesus was talking about, that all things will come to pass that Jesus spoke of before this generation has passed away, were 71 years into this generation and the clock is definately ticking.

Of course Jesus wasn't aquainted with the Gregorian calendar so it is maybe asking too much of him to give dates. One way of making predictions come true is to wait for several centuries and scan the years for anything remotely resembling the prediction. This is frequently done with Nostradamus. It works awfully well.

[Revelations won]

Dear Marco,

Thank you for your well thought out response posted Tuesday July 02, 2019!

"Of course Jesus wasn't aquainted with the Gregorian calendar so it is maybe asking too much of him to give dates. One way of making predictions come true is to wait for several centuries and scan the years for anything remotely resembling the prediction. This is frequently done with Nostradamus. It works awfully well."

My question is, have you scanned the years for anything remotely resembling the prediction?

Regards,
RW

[marco]

Dear Marco,

Thank you for your well thought out response posted Tuesday July 02, 2019!

"Of course Jesus wasn't aquainted with the Gregorian calendar so it is maybe asking too much of him to give dates. One way of making predictions come true is to wait for several centuries and scan the years for anything remotely resembling the prediction. This is frequently done with Nostradamus. It works awfully well."

My question is, have you scanned the years for anything remotely resembling the prediction?

Thank you for such a courteous reply Revelations won. I'm not sure what you want me to say to your question. I am aware of predictions in Nostradamus that appear to coincide with historical events: Hister is like Hitler. People used to open a Bible randomly and hope for some predictive truth.

Were my alliances with those who accept prophecy then I would dutifully scan Scripture and I am sure that I would find concordance. If my career depended on Scriptural truth I would even more earnestly search for sentences that commended my calling.


I am a mere observer. My best wishes.

[Avoice]

The ones standing there.
Jesus said they wouldn't taste death

They tasted it. They died

False prophecy

Jesus lied

[Avoice]

I don't know if you referrenced jesus' comment about the destruction of the 2nd temple to show his predictions come true.

Are you aware of the two large earthquakes that happened a few days ago in California? I predicted 20 years ago that they were going to happen on those days. That proves I an a prophetess, yes? NO. YOUD BE FOOLISH TO THINK I PREDICTED ANYTHING. why? Becsuse i am telling you having full knowledge the events happened

Jusr as the writer of Mathew was aware that the second temple was destroyed when he wrote his book. the second temple was destroyed in the year 70 the book entitled Matthew was written years later. And I say entitled Matthew rather than Matthew because no one knows who wrote the book of Matthew nor any of the gospels. They were written anonymously.l. In the 2nd century the church titles the works Matthew Mark Luke and John. Later they added Saint to the names.

[Andyb7777777]

The ones standing there.
Jesus said they wouldn't taste death

They tasted it. They died

False prophecy

Jesus lied

Hi There,

to start i have to say that you are so so wrong with this statement, firstly because you haven't properly read or understood the deeper meaning of the passage that you refer Jesus's statement too and second you havent took into account its prophetic meaning, and thirdly you have taken one part of a sentence completely out of context.

lets look at the verse.

Mathew 24 32 “Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. 33 Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it[e] is near, right at the door. 34 Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. 35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.

Jesus wasnt talking about the generation that was stood before him or about when a fig tree blooms he was being prophetic and talking about the rebirth of Israel this is when the prophetic clock started ticking on may 14th 1948 and this is the generation Jesus was talking about.

it has been 71 years since the rebirth of Israel, Jesus was figuretively similating Israel with the fig tree and the generation that was born into the rebirth of Israel will be the generation that will not pass until all the events Jesus spoke of will come to pass, the prophetic clock is ticking, take a little time and read the portion of Mathew in which Jesus speaks of events happening in the world today at the time we live in which is the generation Jesus intended his message for.

[Checkpoint]

The ones standing there.
Jesus said they wouldn't taste death

They tasted it. They died

False prophecy

Jesus lied

Yes, they died after having seen what Jesus said they would see.

True prophecy.

Jesus did not lie.