This Generation Will Not Pass Away:

[Overcomer]

Jesus talks about the destruction of the temple and signs of the end times in Matt. 24:1-35:

1 Jesus left the temple and was walking away when his disciples came up to him to call his attention to its buildings. 2 “Do you see all these things?� he asked. “Truly I tell you, not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down.�

3 As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. “Tell us,� they said, “when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?�

4 Jesus answered: “Watch out that no one deceives you. 5 For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Messiah,’ and will deceive many. 6 You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7 Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8 All these are the beginning of birth pains.

9 “Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. 10 At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, 11 and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. 12 Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, 13 but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

15 “So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’[a] spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand— 16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let no one on the housetop go down to take anything out of the house. 18 Let no one in the field go back to get their cloak. 19 How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! 20 Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath. 21 For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again.

22 “If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened. 23 At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah!’ or, ‘There he is!’ do not believe it. 24 For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 25 See, I have told you ahead of time.

26 “So if anyone tells you, ‘There he is, out in the wilderness,’ do not go out; or, ‘Here he is, in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. 27 For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 28 Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather.

29 “Immediately after the distress of those days


“‘the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’

30 “Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth[c] will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.[d] 31 And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.

32 “Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. 33 Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it[e] is near, right at the door. 34 Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. 35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.

Verse 34 has been the subject of many a debate. My questions are as follows:

What did Jesus mean when he said "this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened?" Who is "this generation"?

[Checkpoint]

[Replying to post 604 by Checkpoint]

What are your thoughts about "heaven and earth"?

Well, I have certainly given it more thoughts since arriving at this debating site.

One will pass away, and another will appear, is at least a start that we can agree on in any discussion.

Beyond that, there are many thoughts, many opinions, many interpretations of what relevant scripture means and how to approach it.

My thoughts, my opinions, my way of approach, are at most still tentative.

But I welcome discussion of any aspect and any verses.

But not on this thread. but on a new one I am about to start.

We can share there our thoughts on "heaven and earth"? (i.e. not heaven only and not earth only)

[onewithhim]

[Replying to post 604 by Checkpoint]

What are your thoughts about "heaven and earth"?

Well, I have certainly given it more thoughts since arriving at this debating site.

One will pass away, and another will appear, is at least a start that we can agree on in any discussion.

Beyond that, there are many thoughts, many opinions, many interpretations of what relevant scripture means and how to approach it.

My thoughts, my opinions, my way of approach, are at most still tentative.

But I welcome discussion of any aspect and any verses.

But not on this thread. but on a new one I am about to start.

We can share there our thoughts on "heaven and earth"? (i.e. not heaven only and not earth only)

OK. I was hoping you would realize that "new heavens and new earth" are not the literal heavens and earth. What would be the sense of God destroying the universe, as well as this planet? If you have lousy tenants in a house do you destroy the house or get rid of the tenants?

There is also the Greek word for "destroyed" that Peter wrote. It is better translated as "exposed" or "unveiled" or "revealed." Good thing to keep in mind. I'll go into it further on your new thread.

[Checkpoint]

[Replying to post 604 by Checkpoint]

What are your thoughts about "heaven and earth"?

Well, I have certainly given it more thoughts since arriving at this debating site.

One will pass away, and another will appear, is at least a start that we can agree on in any discussion.

Beyond that, there are many thoughts, many opinions, many interpretations of what relevant scripture means and how to approach it.

My thoughts, my opinions, my way of approach, are at most still tentative.

But I welcome discussion of any aspect and any verses.

But not on this thread. but on a new one I am about to start.

We can share there our thoughts on "heaven and earth"? (i.e. not heaven only and not earth only)

OK. I was hoping you would realize that "new heavens and new earth" are not the literal heavens and earth. What would be the sense of God destroying the universe, as well as this planet? If you have lousy tenants in a house do you destroy the house or get rid of the tenants?

I do realize that likelihood.

Good question.

.

There is also the Greek word for "destroyed" that Peter wrote. It is better translated as "exposed" or "unveiled" or "revealed." Good thing to keep in mind. I'll go into it further on your new thread.

Yes, among other things.

Do you want to continue our discussion here of Matthew 24:34?

[onewithhim]

[Replying to post 608 by Checkpoint]

No, I think we're both banging our heads against the wall at this point.

[Checkpoint]

[Replying to post 608 by Checkpoint]

No, I think we're both banging our heads against the wall at this point.

Yep, we were mostly talking past each other.

What a pity!

[brianbbs67]

[Replying to post 604 by Checkpoint]

What are your thoughts about "heaven and earth"?

Well, I have certainly given it more thoughts since arriving at this debating site.

One will pass away, and another will appear, is at least a start that we can agree on in any discussion.

Beyond that, there are many thoughts, many opinions, many interpretations of what relevant scripture means and how to approach it.

My thoughts, my opinions, my way of approach, are at most still tentative.

But I welcome discussion of any aspect and any verses.

But not on this thread. but on a new one I am about to start.

We can share there our thoughts on "heaven and earth"? (i.e. not heaven only and not earth only)

OK. I was hoping you would realize that "new heavens and new earth" are not the literal heavens and earth. What would be the sense of God destroying the universe, as well as this planet? If you have lousy tenants in a house do you destroy the house or get rid of the tenants?

I do realize that likelihood.

Good question.

.

There is also the Greek word for "destroyed" that Peter wrote. It is better translated as "exposed" or "unveiled" or "revealed." Good thing to keep in mind. I'll go into it further on your new thread.

Yes, among other things.

Do you want to continue our discussion here of Matthew 24:34?

I tend toward the unveiling, the lifting of the veil. What we see here , sometimes is not what is. But, yes let's not derail this one. What's the link to the new discussion ?

[Checkpoint]

[Replying to post 604 by Checkpoint]

What are your thoughts about "heaven and earth"?

Well, I have certainly given it more thoughts since arriving at this debating site.

One will pass away, and another will appear, is at least a start that we can agree on in any discussion.

Beyond that, there are many thoughts, many opinions, many interpretations of what relevant scripture means and how to approach it.

My thoughts, my opinions, my way of approach, are at most still tentative.

But I welcome discussion of any aspect and any verses.

But not on this thread. but on a new one I am about to start.

We can share there our thoughts on "heaven and earth"? (i.e. not heaven only and not earth only)

OK. I was hoping you would realize that "new heavens and new earth" are not the literal heavens and earth. What would be the sense of God destroying the universe, as well as this planet? If you have lousy tenants in a house do you destroy the house or get rid of the tenants?

I do realize that likelihood.

Good question.

.

There is also the Greek word for "destroyed" that Peter wrote. It is better translated as "exposed" or "unveiled" or "revealed." Good thing to keep in mind. I'll go into it further on your new thread.

Yes, among other things.

Do you want to continue our discussion here of Matthew 24:34?

I tend toward the unveiling, the lifting of the veil. What we see here , sometimes is not what is. But, yes let's not derail this one. What's the link to the new discussion ?

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