A G Sessions justifies child torture in the name of God

[Danmark]

Sara Sanders claims separating young children is just 'following the law. It is correct that illegal entry to the U.S. is a misdemeanor and criminal prosecution is legal; however, this has always been selectively enforced. Handling these cases administratively has always been the norm and is still being done selectively. Sara Sanders and this administration issued a misleading statement.

Attorney General Sessions admitted they are prosecuting and separating children from families to teach Mexicans not to 'smuggle their children into the U.S.' This is purposeful torture of innocent young children. But claims to be a 'Christian' and even smugly quoted Paul in Romans to claim God is on their side since 'God' has put Trump in power.
"Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God."
__ Romans 13:1

'God' has long been used by 'Christians' to justify cruelty. http://www.badnewsaboutchristianity.com/gab_racism.htm

The cruelty of this administration goes far beyond partisan politics. Christians should be more outraged than others by the vile practices of the Trump administration, particularly since they Give God the Credit.

[Danmark]

Sessions smugly quoted the Bible, using a passage that attempts to justify Pol Pot, Hitler, Stalin, and Trump when he could quoted the story of the Good Samaritan or Matthew 25:35-40.

"For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me.
... as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me."

[DPMartin]

Sara Sanders claims separating young children is just 'following the law. It is correct that illegal entry to the U.S. is a misdemeanor and criminal prosecution is legal; however, this has always been selectively enforced. Handling these cases administratively has always been the norm and is still being done selectively. Sara Sanders and this administration issued a misleading statement.

Attorney General Sessions admitted they are prosecuting and separating children from families to teach Mexicans not to 'smuggle their children into the U.S.' This is purposeful torture of innocent young children. But claims to be a 'Christian' and even smugly quoted Paul in Romans to claim God is on their side since 'God' has put Trump in power.
"Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God."
__ Romans 13:1

'God' has long been used by 'Christians' to justify cruelty. http://www.badnewsaboutchristianity.com/gab_racism.htm

The cruelty of this administration goes far beyond partisan politics. Christians should be more outraged than others by the vile practices of the Trump administration, particularly since they Give God the Credit.

na, this is used by trump opponents to keep trump playing the put out one fire after another game, these people like McCain could give two poos about the migrant economically enslaved Latino, except that are they profitable for their business constituents.

a low income or impoverished US citizen brakes the law and child services is right there to take away any children. why are these who are not citizens have more rights then we do?


unless its again, strictly politics, McCain's been senator all this time for a boarder state for 30 years and all of the sudden he cares. McCain did the same when the VA issue came out like he almost cared, but anyone in service then knows the VA has been treating Vets like that since the Vietnam war. the last place a vet would go to is a VA hospital, unless of course a General or senator would use the care there, then its great.


have you noticed there's no "evil Mexico" or demonizing of Mexico, and that is where these people are coming from, even if its not their native country. how come Mexico isn't caring about these people? could that be because they have blead them out of all the money they have for escorting them to the US and now it should the problem of the US?


the public's not getting it, trump isn't one of them, meaning one of the corrupted, and they don't like him for that very reason, and they must get him out, by hook or crook. guys like McCain and the rest have been giving lip service to appease what they perceive is most effective for their public image since they been in office and noting has ever become of anything they haven't done about it, which is their goal in the first place.

[bluethread]

The U.S. Customs and Border Protection agency says that apprehensions of undocumented immigrants along the Southwestern U.S. border remain near historic lows, but agents have seen a sharp increase in the number of unaccompanied minors trying to enter the country illegally over the past five years. Over the first 8 1/2 months of fiscal year 2014, 52,193 unaccompanied minors have been taken into custody -- a 99 percent increase over 2013.

https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/immig ... er-n152221

These children are not "torn from their parents arms". They are either sent to fend for themselves or handed over to coyotes by their parents. This is a ploy to expand the anchor baby principle to include children. The children are put in danger by their parents in the hopes that they will be allowed to stay, just because they are children. Then, using the family loophole, the rest of the family works the system to gain entry. This is not just scamming the system, but child sacrifice, as these unaccompanied minors are prime pickings for MS-13 and the slave trade. By comparison, the efforts of DHS and DSHS are not just humane, but heroic. The real villains here are those who demagogue the issue for partisan purposes, rather than addressing the real issues.

The good thing is that Nielsen does not believe in "newspeak", but states things as they are nd seeks real solutions. I guess the feminists are right, what we need is more women in positions of power. They just have to be the right women. Haley-Neilsen 2024.

[AgnosticBoy]

Sara Sanders claims separating young children is just 'following the law. It is correct that illegal entry to the U.S. is a misdemeanor and criminal prosecution is legal; however, this has always been selectively enforced. Handling these cases administratively has always been the norm and is still being done selectively. Sara Sanders and this administration issued a misleading statement.

Attorney General Sessions admitted they are prosecuting and separating children from families to teach Mexicans not to 'smuggle their children into the U.S.' This is purposeful torture of innocent young children. But claims to be a 'Christian' and even smugly quoted Paul in Romans to claim God is on their side since 'God' has put Trump in power.
"Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God."
__ Romans 13:1

'God' has long been used by 'Christians' to justify cruelty. http://www.badnewsaboutchristianity.com/gab_racism.htm

The cruelty of this administration goes far beyond partisan politics. Christians should be more outraged than others by the vile practices of the Trump administration, particularly since they Give God the Credit.

Torture is too strong of a word here. Sure, it is a bad thing on the kids to be separated from their parents, but the act of separation itself is not necessarily immoral thing. That means it's possible for something to be moral even if it causes bad effects. To say otherwise, would be to be against American parents getting jail time just because they have kids. It would also mean that it's bad to send young kids off to school, just because they start crying when separated from their parents.

If anything, the parents of these immigrant children are in the wrong as well as the inadequate Government response to secure the border so that we can avoid this issue in the first place. No one should be able to "illegally" cross our borders. If it takes a wall in certain places to get that done then so be it.

Ideally, I'd like to see a conclusion that is reached by factoring points from BOTH sides of the issue.

[AgnosticBoy]

The U.S. Customs and Border Protection agency says that apprehensions of undocumented immigrants along the Southwestern U.S. border remain near historic lows, but agents have seen a sharp increase in the number of unaccompanied minors trying to enter the country illegally over the past five years. Over the first 8 1/2 months of fiscal year 2014, 52,193 unaccompanied minors have been taken into custody -- a 99 percent increase over 2013.

https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/immig ... er-n152221

These children are not "torn from their parents arms". They are either sent to fend for themselves or handed over to coyotes by their parents. This is a ploy to expand the anchor baby principle to include children. The children are put in danger by their parents in the hopes that they will be allowed to stay, just because they are children. Then, using the family loophole, the rest of the family works the system to gain entry. This is not just scamming the system, but child sacrifice, as these unaccompanied minors are prime pickings for MS-13 and the slave trade. By comparison, the efforts of DHS and DSHS are not just humane, but heroic. The real villains here are those who demagogue the issue for partisan purposes, rather than addressing the real issues.

The good thing is that Nielsen does not believe in "newspeak", but states things as they are nd seeks real solutions. I guess the feminists are right, what we need is more women in positions of power. They just have to be the right women. Haley-Neilsen 2024.

I agree largely with what you said. Separation is not unjustified in and of itself. However, the condition of the child detention facilities is another issue. I'm not sure that the US government is prepared to handle a mass number of kids in a decent way, at least not all of them. Of course, this can be fixed by building more facilities that are up to standard. Perhaps if all of the kids were able to have an actual room instead of chain-linked fences that I've seen, then there wouldn't be as much outrage.

[Danmark]

The United Methodist church, and 693 clergy have charged Sessions with child abuse.
"Sessions, a Sunday school teacher at the Ashland Place United Methodist Church in Mobile, Alabama, is accused by church members of child abuse, immorality, racial discrimination and “dissemination of doctrines contrary to the established standards of doctrines� of the United Methodist Church."
http://www.newsweek.com/united-methodis ... ren-984006

[bluethread]

I agree largely with what you said. Separation is not unjustified in and of itself. However, the condition of the child detention facilities is another issue. I'm not sure that the US government is prepared to handle a mass number of kids in a decent way, at least not all of them. Of course, this can be fixed by building more facilities that are up to standard. Perhaps if all of the kids were able to have an actual room instead of chain-linked fences that I've seen, then there wouldn't be as much outrage.

Or we could put more resources into making sure that these children are not dumped on us in the first place. A large part of the problem is that the 9th circuit court decided that children can not be held with their parents, who were being prosecuted for a crime, which is what Obama did. The children have to be released after simple processing. So, rather than address the problem, Obama just let the parents go. Word of this spread to central America, which led to a drastic increase in illegal immigration. That policy is unsustainable, so the Trump administration is bringing attention to it by actually enforcing the law. The result is that there are short term logistics problems, until congress, who writes the laws, can deal with it.

[Danmark]

I agree largely with what you said. Separation is not unjustified in and of itself. However, the condition of the child detention facilities is another issue. I'm not sure that the US government is prepared to handle a mass number of kids in a decent way, at least not all of them. Of course, this can be fixed by building more facilities that are up to standard. Perhaps if all of the kids were able to have an actual room instead of chain-linked fences that I've seen, then there wouldn't be as much outrage.

Or we could put more resources into making sure that these children are not dumped on us in the first place. A large part of the problem is that the 9th circuit court decided that children can not be held with their parents, who were being prosecuted for a crime, which is what Obama did. The children have to be released after simple processing. So, rather than address the problem, Obama just let the parents go. .

The Flores decision limited to 20 days the length of time children could be kept. Obama's decision was both wise, humane, and prudent because 98% of the parents showed up for hearings. Remember, there was and is no immigration 'crisis.' These are people applying for asylum and they have a right to have their petitions heard. Even if they enter illegally (often because the legal avenues are blocked) they are only chargeable with a misdemeanor.

Trump finally 'got it' that his decision to imprison children indefinitely after separating them from their parents was seen as inhumane by most Americans, and politically unsustainable.

This whole business of the GOP and Trump is a fraud, playing on unrealistic fears of immigration. This is exactly the tactic used by Adolf Hitler, playing on the fear of foreigners. Over and over again this administration uses lies and fear to persuade its GOP base. Immigrants are LESS likely to commit crimes than American citizens.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/won ... db19b672c6

[Danmark]

I repeat, there is no crisis at the U.S. border with Mexico. This is a manufactured issue designed to appeal to the fears of xenophobes for political gain. "The number of people taken into custody at the southern U.S. border with Mexico has been decreasing since 2000.
....
The trend apparently at odds with statements made this week by President Trump, the secretary of Homeland Security and the attorney general."
https://www.npr.org/

[AgnosticBoy]

I agree largely with what you said. Separation is not unjustified in and of itself. However, the condition of the child detention facilities is another issue. I'm not sure that the US government is prepared to handle a mass number of kids in a decent way, at least not all of them. Of course, this can be fixed by building more facilities that are up to standard. Perhaps if all of the kids were able to have an actual room instead of chain-linked fences that I've seen, then there wouldn't be as much outrage.

Or we could put more resources into making sure that these children are not dumped on us in the first place. A large part of the problem is that the 9th circuit court decided that children can not be held with their parents, who were being prosecuted for a crime, which is what Obama did. The children have to be released after simple processing. So, rather than address the problem, Obama just let the parents go. Word of this spread to central America, which led to a drastic increase in illegal immigration. That policy is unsustainable, so the Trump administration is bringing attention to it by actually enforcing the law. The result is that there are short term logistics problems, until congress, who writes the laws, can deal with it.

Last week I pointed out that even if we didn't separate the children, then the condition of detainment (how long kids held for, the condition of facility, etc) would be made an issue and my concern was correct. AT least, that's what many in the media has focused on ever since Trump signed his executive order. In my view, the logistics of being able to house the immigrant children is just as important as securing the borders.

However, I agree with your sentiment that we need to find a way to do better than what Obama did. If we release these people into the general population, we need a way to ensure that they'll go to their court hearings to make their case for asylum or be deported. According to DHS (pg. 3, figure 1), there are over 12 million illegal immigrants residing in the US. That is a big problem.

I repeat, there is no crisis at the U.S. border with Mexico. This is a manufactured issue designed to appeal to the fears of xenophobes for political gain. "The number of people taken into custody at the southern U.S. border with Mexico has been decreasing since 2000.
....
The trend apparently at odds with statements made this week by President Trump, the secretary of Homeland Security and the attorney general."
https://www.npr.org/

Your claim that there's been a steady decline of immigrants illegally crossing our border is true. But numbers of people being apprehended at the border is still high (400,000+ in 2016 from Central America and Mexico), especially given the 12 million immigrants that we have in the country already. The border is improving but there is still a big illegal immigration problem.

Source: DHS > Click on "Immigration Enforcement Actions 2016".. go to pg. 4, table 1.