God and laws of the universe
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bluethread
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Re: God and laws of the universe
Post #2Are we just talking about the "known" universe, the theoritical universe, or the universe of all things, including those things that are beyond our understanding.Donray wrote: Does god need to obey the laws of the universe? Can he travel faster then light? Jesus had a human body could he travel faster than light?
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Re: God and laws of the universe
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If one accepts him as the creator, then he created the laws. Laws were defied throughout the miracles of the bible so I wouldn't be surprised if God could travel faster than the speed of light, same for Jesus in human body. He multiplied 5 loaves of bread and 2 fish into enough to feed five thousand. That's a lot of matter creation right there.
If one accepts him as the creator, then he created the laws. Laws were defied throughout the miracles of the bible so I wouldn't be surprised if God could travel faster than the speed of light, same for Jesus in human body. He multiplied 5 loaves of bread and 2 fish into enough to feed five thousand. That's a lot of matter creation right there.
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Re: God and laws of the universe
Post #4This is not the S&R thread, so I don't intend on taking this into that direction, but it didn't have to be matter creation. There are many ways for that to have happened. It could have been gathered out of "thin air" as they say. We are aware that air is not nothingness, these days.jgh7 wrote: [Replying to post 1 by Donray]
If one accepts him as the creator, then he created the laws. Laws were defied throughout the miracles of the bible so I wouldn't be surprised if God could travel faster than the speed of light, same for Jesus in human body. He multiplied 5 loaves of bread and 2 fish into enough to feed five thousand. That's a lot of matter creation right there.
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jgh7
Re: God and laws of the universe
Post #5It's not my intention to be super scientific either. My answer is simply yes.bluethread wrote:This is not the S&R thread, so I don't intend on taking this into that direction, but it didn't have to be matter creation. There are many ways for that to have happened. It could have been gathered out of "thin air" as they say. We are aware that air is not nothingness, these days.jgh7 wrote: [Replying to post 1 by Donray]
If one accepts him as the creator, then he created the laws. Laws were defied throughout the miracles of the bible so I wouldn't be surprised if God could travel faster than the speed of light, same for Jesus in human body. He multiplied 5 loaves of bread and 2 fish into enough to feed five thousand. That's a lot of matter creation right there.
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jgh7
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What exactly do you mean? Is turning water to wine (John 2:1-11) changing the physical laws, or walking on water (Matthew 14:25)?
What exactly do you mean? Is turning water to wine (John 2:1-11) changing the physical laws, or walking on water (Matthew 14:25)?
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I don't think there is a scripture with the words "God can change physical laws of the univerese" in it. In fact I don't know that there is a scripture with the expression "physical laws of the universe" in it.Donray wrote: Could some one please point to the bible where it says god can change the physicals laws of the universe.
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Re: God and laws of the universe
Post #9I conceptualize God as a non-material Spirit, and while I believe that God is real, I deny that God is a creator or intervener in a cosmos "He" never produced in the first place.Donray wrote: Does god need to obey the laws of the universe? Can he travel faster then light? Jesus had a human body could he travel faster than light?
So, with those factors in mind, I doubt that earth-bound terms and ideas like speed, movement, time, and power over physical things and processes can validly be applied to God. So God can't go faster than the speed of light because God is not a physical object that can travel as a physical "bit" in a material universe. God is not bound by physical "laws" because God is not physical to begin with.
I am a recent fan of the Christ Myth theory, so I doubt - but can't say for certain - that the historical Jesus ever existed. But if he was, after all, physically present on earth, the Gospels do not impute any super-than-light attributes to his human body. However, post-Resurrection, the Gospels say that he had a "new" kind of body, which could pass through solid objects, vanish/reappear at will, and ascend into the sky on a cloud. However, the Gospels were written in ignorance of science in any modern sense. So their authors would not have been able to conceive of a "faster than the speed of light" category, and all that it entails.
Re: God and laws of the universe
Post #10Donray wrote: Does god need to obey the laws of the universe? Can he travel faster then light? Jesus had a human body could he travel faster than light?
God keeps His Word. If He gives His Word He will not go back on it, though He doesn't have to do that either, but there's nothing in or of creation He must obey.
