For Non-trinitarians: Who is Jesus

[jgh7]

There have been tons of debates against the trinity, but I only just realized that I don't even know where non-trinitarians stand on who Jesus is. It's pretty simple on the trinitarian side, only one option: Jesus is God. But for non-trinitarians who don't believe Jesus is God, there are numerous options. In another thread someone interpreted him as an archangel which I had never heard before. And then I just got to wondering how many other non-trinitarian interpretations there are.

If you're a non-trinitarian, what are your beliefs about Jesus? Was he only a man? Was he an angel? Was he somewhere in between man and angel? Maybe somewhere in between angel and God? Is he all-knowing and all-powerful? Did he exist from the very beginning? What does it mean for him to be God's son, is that any more special than the angels and us being sons of God? Basically give me your best description, not so much of who Jesus is, but more along the lines of what Jesus is if that makes sense to you.

[dio9]

Jesus is God as the rest of us are GOD, only he is more God than the rest of us. Everything and everyone in their original self is sacred.
What is this thing called the original self you may ask. For us Christians it is the nature of Adam before the fall.

[EBA]

There have been tons of debates against the trinity, but I only just realized that I don't even know where non-trinitarians stand on who Jesus is.

Jesus Christ is .,. our Father.

Peace

So is Jesus God, the father?

No, Jesus is not "God the Father."

He is a Father and I would hope you believe he is your Father; I believe he is mine.

Peace.

[EBA]

There have been tons of debates against the trinity, but I only just realized that I don't even know where non-trinitarians stand on who Jesus is.

Jesus Christ is "EVERYTHING" except "The Father."

And yes, he is God and he is our Father.

Peace

Wait....let's put this in the form of math equation.

Jesus Christ is "EVERYTHING" except "The Father."

∀ = Jesus
Jesus ≠ Father

And yes, he is God and he is our Father.

Jesus = God
Jesus = Father

The statement is an impossibility. Jesus can't both be 'not Father' and be 'Father'.

Your equation is full of deceit.

It should read:

∀ = Jesus
Jesus ≠ “The Father�

Although I would suggest Jesus ≤ “the Father.�

Jesus = God
Jesus = our Father

That would be more in line with my statement and maybe not so impossible.

What do you think?

Peace.

[otseng]

Your equation is full of deceit.

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[polonius]

There have been tons of debates against the trinity, but I only just realized that I don't even know where non-trinitarians stand on who Jesus is. It's pretty simple on the trinitarian side, only one option: Jesus is God. But for non-trinitarians who don't believe Jesus is God, there are numerous options. In another thread someone interpreted him as an archangel which I had never heard before. And then I just got to wondering how many other non-trinitarian interpretations there are.

If you're a non-trinitarian, what are your beliefs about Jesus? Was he only a man? Was he an angel? Was he somewhere in between man and angel? Maybe somewhere in between angel and God? Is he all-knowing and all-powerful? Did he exist from the very beginning? What does it mean for him to be God's son, is that any more special than the angels and us being sons of God? Basically give me your best description, not so much of who Jesus is, but more along the lines of what Jesus is if that makes sense to you.

RESPONSE:

Jesus was a human being, an itinerant preacher who some believed was the Messiah. The Messiah was a man, not divine, who was to sit on the throne of Israel and restore the rule to Israel.

That would be treason against Rome and the Emperor (who was the king). Jesus was executed by the Romans along with two other insurrectionists in about 33 AD.

[Checkpoint]

There have been tons of debates against the trinity, but I only just realized that I don't even know where non-trinitarians stand on who Jesus is. It's pretty simple on the trinitarian side, only one option: Jesus is God. But for non-trinitarians who don't believe Jesus is God, there are numerous options. In another thread someone interpreted him as an archangel which I had never heard before. And then I just got to wondering how many other non-trinitarian interpretations there are.

If you're a non-trinitarian, what are your beliefs about Jesus? Was he only a man? Was he an angel? Was he somewhere in between man and angel? Maybe somewhere in between angel and God? Is he all-knowing and all-powerful? Did he exist from the very beginning? What does it mean for him to be God's son, is that any more special than the angels and us being sons of God? Basically give me your best description, not so much of who Jesus is, but more along the lines of what Jesus is if that makes sense to you.

RESPONSE:

Jesus was a human being, an itinerant preacher who some believed was the Messiah. The Messiah was a man, not divine, who was to sit on the throne of Israel and restore the rule to Israel.

That would be treason against Rome and the Emperor (who was the king). Jesus was executed by the Romans along with two other insurrectionists in about 33 AD.

Is the response you posted fact or fiction?

[2timothy316]

There have been tons of debates against the trinity, but I only just realized that I don't even know where non-trinitarians stand on who Jesus is.

Jesus Christ is "EVERYTHING" except "The Father."

And yes, he is God and he is our Father.

Peace

Wait....let's put this in the form of math equation.

Jesus Christ is "EVERYTHING" except "The Father."

∀ = Jesus
Jesus ≠ Father

And yes, he is God and he is our Father.

Jesus = God
Jesus = Father

The statement is an impossibility. Jesus can't both be 'not Father' and be 'Father'.

Your equation is full of deceit.

It should read:

∀ = Jesus
Jesus ≠ “The Father�

Although I would suggest Jesus ≤ “the Father.�

Jesus = God
Jesus = our Father

That would be more in line with my statement and maybe not so impossible.

What do you think?

Peace.

You said , "maybe not so impossible". This is like saying 'maybe not so pregnant'. This means your statement is still impossible.

According to the Catholic Church, the folks that brought us the trinity 400 years after the death of the last apostle, "Jesus ≤ "the Father"" is Arian heresy.
https://www.catholiceducation.org/en/cu ... ather.html

This is another reason why I can't accept the trinity, there are different teachings of the trinity.

[EBA]

You said , "maybe not so impossible". This is like saying 'maybe not so pregnant'. This means your statement is still impossible.

Actually, my statement was sarcasm.

According to the Catholic Church, the folks that brought us the trinity 400 years after the death of the last apostle, "Jesus ≤ "the Father"" is Arian heresy.
https://www.catholiceducation.org/en/cu ... ather.html

Fortunately, for me, I’m neither Catholic or a trinitarian.

This is another reason why I can't accept the trinity, there are different teachings of the trinity.

I don’t accept the trinity either.
I do, however, believe Jesus Christ is God which is not heresy, but scriptural fact.

[brianbbs67]

You said , "maybe not so impossible". This is like saying 'maybe not so pregnant'. This means your statement is still impossible.

Actually, my statement was sarcasm.

According to the Catholic Church, the folks that brought us the trinity 400 years after the death of the last apostle, "Jesus ≤ "the Father"" is Arian heresy.
https://www.catholiceducation.org/en/cu ... ather.html

Fortunately, for me, I’m neither Catholic or a trinitarian.

This is another reason why I can't accept the trinity, there are different teachings of the trinity.

I don’t accept the trinity either.
I do, however, believe Jesus Christ is God which is not heresy, but scriptural fact.

I am following but expound on the last one. Thanks.

[polonius]

If you're a non-trinitarian, what are your beliefs about Jesus? Was he only a man? Was he an angel? Was he somewhere in between man and angel? Maybe somewhere in between angel and God? Is he all-knowing and all-powerful? Did he exist from the very beginning? What does it mean for him to be God's son, is that any more special than the angels and us being sons of God? Basically give me your best description, not so much of who Jesus is, but more along the lines of what Jesus is if that makes sense to you.

Jesus was a first century itinerant preacher. He was one of the four Messiah-candidates mentioned at that time. All were killed by the Romans for insurrection.

But starting in 55 AD stories were written about him and his status was increased,