Christ in the OT

[brianbbs67]

Who is he and who is Lord? Proverbs 8:31-36

I post this in response to another topic and then I reread this.

31-36

"Rejoicing in His inhabited world, finding delight with mankind.
Now, sons, listen to me; Happy are they who keep my ways.
Heed discipline and become wise; Do not spurn it.
Happy is the man who listens to me, Coming early to my gates each day,
Waiting outside my doors.
For he who finds me finds life.
And obtains favor from the Lord.
But he who misses me destroys himself;
All who hate me love death."

Does this not refer to "before Abraham , I am" ??

[liamconnor]

Who is he and who is Lord? Proverbs 8:31-36

I post this in response to another topic and then I reread this.

31-36

"Rejoicing in His inhabited world, finding delight with mankind.
Now, sons, listen to me; Happy are they who keep my ways.
Heed discipline and become wise; Do not spurn it.
Happy is the man who listens to me, Coming early to my gates each day,
Waiting outside my doors.
For he who finds me finds life.
And obtains favor from the Lord.
But he who misses me destroys himself;
All who hate me love death."

Does this not refer to "before Abraham , I am" ??

No. If the Johanine logion "Before Abraham, I am" has any Scriptural precedent, it is simply in the Greek translation of YHWH.

But the attempt to pour through the O.T. and find clear and consciously anticipatory references to a 1st c. Palestinian Jew who was God-incarnate and would be crucified by a Roman prefix is fundamentalist.

[JehovahsWitness]

Does this not refer to "before Abraham , I am" ??

I don't understand the question, are you asking if the above passage refers to Jesus?

[101G]

Who is he and who is Lord? Proverbs 8:31-36

I post this in response to another topic and then I reread this.

31-36

"Rejoicing in His inhabited world, finding delight with mankind.
Now, sons, listen to me; Happy are they who keep my ways.
Heed discipline and become wise; Do not spurn it.
Happy is the man who listens to me, Coming early to my gates each day,
Waiting outside my doors.
For he who finds me finds life.
And obtains favor from the Lord.
But he who misses me destroys himself;
All who hate me love death."

Does this not refer to "before Abraham , I am" ??

GINOLJC, "YES" it do,
but many cannot see it. there are many verses in the bible shows Christ in the OT.

since you're in Proverb 8, Proverbs 8:6 "Hear; for I will speak of excellent things; and the opening of my lips shall be right things.

Proverbs 8:7 "For my mouth shall speak truth; and wickedness is an abomination to my lips.

Proverbs 8:8 "All the words of my mouth are in righteousness; there is nothing froward or perverse in them.

Proverbs 8:9 "They are all plain to him that understandeth, and right to them that find knowledge.

Jesus the Christ speaking from the OT.

Be blessed in Christ Yeshua.

[tam]

Peace to you Brian,

Who is he and who is Lord? Proverbs 8:31-36

I post this in response to another topic and then I reread this.

31-36

"Rejoicing in His inhabited world, finding delight with mankind.
Now, sons, listen to me; Happy are they who keep my ways.
Heed discipline and become wise; Do not spurn it.
Happy is the man who listens to me, Coming early to my gates each day,
Waiting outside my doors.
For he who finds me finds life.
And obtains favor from the Lord.
But he who misses me destroys himself;
All who hate me love death."

He (from he who finds me finds life) is anyone who finds Christ (we know that the person who finds Christ finds life, since Christ IS the Life).


"The Lord" in the very next line is actually rendered all caps - "the LORD" - because this is referring to God (YHWH).

http://biblehub.com/proverbs/8-35.htm

So the person who finds Christ, finds life, and also obtains favor from God.

Does this not refer to "before Abraham , I am" ??

I am not sure I understand what you mean by your question, but Christ is before Abraham. This chapter in Proverbs is referring to Christ and mentions Him coming into being from the very beginning, long before Abraham.



Peace again to you,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy

[William]

[Replying to post 1 by brianbbs67]

For me the script refers to the individual who is acquainted with the GOD to the extent that the script ascribes.

People who miss that, are not acquainted.

[Tcg]

Who is he and who is Lord? Proverbs 8:31-36

I post this in response to another topic and then I reread this.

31-36

"Rejoicing in His inhabited world, finding delight with mankind.
Now, sons, listen to me; Happy are they who keep my ways.
Heed discipline and become wise; Do not spurn it.
Happy is the man who listens to me, Coming early to my gates each day,
Waiting outside my doors.
For he who finds me finds life.
And obtains favor from the Lord.
But he who misses me destroys himself;
All who hate me love death."

Does this not refer to "before Abraham , I am" ??

If you read this proverb in context, the answer to, "who is he?", is wisdom. The proper question of course would be, "who is she?" given that the author states this:

"8:1 Does not wisdom call out? Does not understanding raise her voice?

2 At the highest point along the way, where the paths meet, she takes her stand;

3 beside the gate leading into the city, at the entrance, she cries aloud:"

The rest of the proverb is of course wisdom speaking. There is no reference at all to Jesus if that is your implication.

[brianbbs67]

[Replying to liamconnor]

Wasn't reading eisejetically. Just noticed , who else can the he be?

[brianbbs67]

Does this not refer to "before Abraham , I am" ??

I don't understand the question, are you asking if the above passage refers to Jesus?

To me It does refer to him. Who else is the he YHWH is referring to?

[brianbbs67]

[Replying to post 5 by tam]
Peace to you, also.

I view it as you do. Goes along with "the Lord said to my lord". Just didn't notice it till last night.