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Trump: "Did nothing wrong, there are no charges against

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Yet, today Trump is, effectively, an un-indicted co-conspirator.

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2Dbunk wrote: [Replying to post 1 by H.sapiens]
Yet, today Trump is, effectively, an un-indicted co-conspirator.
His house of cards is collapsing as we speak. His style of bluster is soooo telling I think even the deplorables are looking to exit a mooring line without rodent barriers. His being an unindicted co-conspirator sums it up quite well--the master of manipulation; the savant of sleaze; the controller of connivance; the tester of truth; the partitioner of people; endless spinner of the electorate--the list goes on into an infinity of ill-speak.

Other than that, it's been a good run for the stock market, regulation retardation and religious regression--akin to Nazi Germany's pre-war economic boom and bombast.
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bluethread wrote:
fredonly wrote:
Trump has not been accused of a crime, and has not been named an "unindicted co-conspirator." Giuliani correctly pointed out, "There is no allegation of any wrongdoing against the president in the government’s charges against Mr. Cohen"
I was responding to the OP. If the OP is wrong, then fine.
Cohen made the "defaming" statement, and he made it under oath. Trump has been invited to give his side of it, also under oath. He should take the opportunity.
Fine, as a private citizen he can do that. However, that is not the same as the government making the statement.
Hard is it may be for you to believe, it is possible that Trump actually did what Cohen says he did. If that's the case, then Cohen's statement of fact is not defamation. But if Trump actually didn't do this, then his recourse will be to sue Cohen for defamation.
I was not defending Trump on the merits. I was just noting the silliness of the government naming someone as an "unindicted co-conspirator."

A sitting president cannot be indicted. A sitting president must first be impeached and convicted. That is up to the congress to do, not a government prosecutor.
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A sitting president cannot be indicted. A sitting president must first be impeached and convicted. That is up to the congress to do, not a government prosecutor.

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bluethread wrote:
Un-indicted co-conspirator is a canard devised by the special council in the Nixon investigation for the purpose of slinging mud on someone that the prosecutor can not or will not prosecute. It is a clear example of a government official attempting to declare someone as guilty of something, without having to provide that one with due process.
This remark betrays ignorance of the legal process. The term is proper and commonly used, and is not limited to Presidents who commit crimes. It is not a "canard," which is an unfounded rumor or story.
An unindicted co-conspirator, or unindicted conspirator, is a person or entity that is alleged in an indictment to have engaged in conspiracy, but who is not charged in the same indictment. Prosecutors choose to name persons as unindicted co-conspirators for a variety of reasons including grants of immunity, pragmatic considerations, and evidentiary concerns.

Trump is a perfect example of "an unindicted co-conspirator" because he is implicated in the charges against Cohen, but as a currently serving President there are legal arguments that he cannot be formally charged at this time.

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Trump is the best president ever and the best thing it could have happened to the United States, possibly all of humanity.

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Walterbl wrote: Trump is the best president ever and the best thing it could have happened to the United States, possibly all of humanity.
Assuming you're serious, how do you feel about his frequent lying, and his habit of insulting people?

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Danmark wrote:
bluethread wrote:
Un-indicted co-conspirator is a canard devised by the special council in the Nixon investigation for the purpose of slinging mud on someone that the prosecutor can not or will not prosecute. It is a clear example of a government official attempting to declare someone as guilty of something, without having to provide that one with due process.
This remark betrays ignorance of the legal process. The term is proper and commonly used, and is not limited to Presidents who commit crimes. It is not a "canard," which is an unfounded rumor or story.
An unindicted co-conspirator, or unindicted conspirator, is a person or entity that is alleged in an indictment to have engaged in conspiracy, but who is not charged in the same indictment. Prosecutors choose to name persons as unindicted co-conspirators for a variety of reasons including grants of immunity, pragmatic considerations, and evidentiary concerns.

Trump is a perfect example of "an unindicted co-conspirator" because he is implicated in the charges against Cohen, but as a currently serving President there are legal arguments that he cannot be formally charged at this time.
Though my remark was not precise, since the term might be considered "proper and commonly used" by prosecutors, the effect is to smear someone without having to grant that one due process. It makes a mockery of the presumption of innocence, by granting the press the opportunity to presume guilt in the court of public opinion.

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Assuming you're serious, how do you feel about his frequent lying, and his habit of insulting people?
I assume the public does need to know every single detail about his job, for security reasons. As far as insulting goes, he was mostly responding to attacks instead of starting things.

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Walterbl wrote:
Assuming you're serious, how do you feel about his frequent lying, and his habit of insulting people?
I assume the public does need to know every single detail about his job, for security reasons. As far as insulting goes, he was mostly responding to attacks instead of starting things.
Politifact lists 11 pages of lies by Trump. I couldn't find one that has any plausible relation to security. For example, he blatantly lied about having knowledge of payments to Stormy Daniels - that's not security.

If you look through this list of 487 people and organizations Trump has insulted, you'll find quite a few cases where Trump hurls insults at people and organizations for disagreeing on policy.

Has he convinced you the free press is the "enemy of the people?" Do you seriously believe he's been a faithful husband and that all the women who've alleged affairs are lying?

I can understand why someone might like policies he's put in, but I encourage you to see the man for what he is.

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Has he convinced you the free press is the "enemy of the people?
They are. The extremely liberal-biased media is a conglomerate owned mostly by not americans. The are all in the same boat of enriching the ruling elite at the cost of the regular people. The have destroyed america to the point of near economic collapse, and this will become obvious in the upcoming decades.

The level of anti-conservative bias in media a social media has gotten to an insane point where popular right wingers routinelly get banned and de-platformed for thoughtcrime reasons and deviating from liberal dogma. It is worse than political persecution in dictatorships.

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