What, How, When, Where, and Why of Har-Magedon

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What, How, When, Where, and Why of Har-Magedon

Har Magedon (Revelation 16:16) is when the nations of the world will be gathered against Jerusalem (Zechariah 14:1-3), and they will be crushed all together at the same time (Daniel 2:35). It will occur at Meggido, which is located between Jerusalem and Damascus, and is because of what the nations have done to Israel (Joel 3:1-2) and happens after "Judah" and "Jerusalem" have been restored, which was finished in 1967. It will include 1/3 of mankind being killed by fire, smoke, and sulfur (Revelation 9:18), and the nations will still not repent (Revelation 9:21). Those who come against Jerusalem will die the same death that those who died in Hiroshima (Zechariah 14:12). Can anyone give the high holy day when this is most likely to occur?

As per how the nations will be gathered, they will be gathered by the influence of the demon spirits of the "beast" and the "false prophet" (Revelation 16:13). For the "beast" and the "false prophet" are already dead, and only their "unclean spirits" are here to influence their minions, such as Hussein Obama, and witch Hillary, along with the world leaders they interreact. The 7th head of the beast, who is also dead, is Constantine, the beast with two horns like a lamb. His "false prophet", who is one of the two foundation stones of the Roman church Constantine institutionalized, is the self professed apostle Paul (Zechariah 11:7-10). His buddy, Peter, the 2nd horn like a lamb (Christ like) of Revelation 13:11 , is the "worthless shepherd" of Zechariah 11:17, who did not feed, care or tend the sheep (John 21:15-17). This keeping in line with Peter denying Yeshua 3 times, the same number of times Peter said he loved Yeshua (John 21:17).

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And "Babylon the great", or in the present tense, the daughters of Babylon, the religions stemming from Babylon, are also looking at serious consequences.

You do know that the Babylon fell about 5 centuries before Bethlehem hosted the baby Jesus. We had a very successful Persian Empire, followed by Greek and Macedonian ; then the Romans did their bit for civilisation. Does it make much sense in the 21st century to talk as if we're charging around on camels?

Babylon the Great sat on the beast with 7 heads (Revelation 17:3). The 1st four heads were the Babylonians, the Persia, the Macedonians/Greek, and the Roman Republic. The later heads were Caesar's Roman dictatorship, and revived Roman empires, all led by Augustus Caesars. They all carried religions who were daughters to the Babylonian pagan religion.

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Babylon the Great sat on the beast with 7 heads (Revelation 17:3). The 1st four heads were the Babylonians, the Persia, the Macedonians/Greek, and the Roman Republic. The later heads were Caesar's Roman dictatorship, and revived Roman empires, all led by Augustus Caesars. They all carried religions who were daughters to the Babylonian pagan religion.

Can you explain in what way the above intelligence relates to space exploration, computer technology or supersonic jet flights? Why on earth would a "beast" have "seven heads"? Cerberus had three, certainly but why would Babylon the Great want to sit on this polycephalic creature?

Armageddon or battle of gods aand serpents and anything else belongs to mythology. We are not meant to take these things as if they are reports of the death of a famous actor or politician. If we want to worry about war, we can read about WW1 or WW2.

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Babylon the Great sat on the beast with 7 heads (Revelation 17:3). The 1st four heads were the Babylonians, the Persia, the Macedonians/Greek, and the Roman Republic. The later heads were Caesar's Roman dictatorship, and revived Roman empires, all led by Augustus Caesars. They all carried religions who were daughters to the Babylonian pagan religion.

Can you explain in what way the above intelligence relates to space exploration, computer technology or supersonic jet flights? Why on earth would a "beast" have "seven heads"? Cerberus had three, certainly but why would Babylon the Great want to sit on this polycephalic creature?

Armageddon or battle of gods aand serpents and anything else belongs to mythology. We are not meant to take these things as if they are reports of the death of a famous actor or politician. If we want to worry about war, we can read about WW1 or WW2.

The writings are done so the "wicked" can not understand as stated in (Daniel 2:10) & (Matthew 13:13) & (Isaiah 6:10).

The beast simply represents the progression of rulers of the world which will crush Judah and Israel in judgment (Hosea 5:11-15). Babylon the Great was simply the mother religion which rode on the back of those realms. WW1 ended with the Balfour Declaration, which allowed Judah back into Judea (Daniel 2:34). WWII set up the the the nation of Israel in 1948, and the later restoration of Jerusalem in 1967 (Joel 3:1). The heads of the beast simply show the progression of the world rulers, and ends when the leaders of all the nations go to capture Jerualem (Zechariah 14:1-3). If you read Zechariah 14:12, the description is almost an exact copy of a description of the effects of Hiroshema taken from the book titled "Hiroshema", and that will happen to those who "have gone to war with Jerusalem". You can read history before it happens, or you can wait for it to reach your door unprepared.

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Har-Magedon is a place, as in "gathered together to the place which is called Har-Magedon" (Revelation 16:16)

"Great earthquake", "huge hailstones", "the cup of God's fierce wrath" are physical manifestations (Revelation 16:18-21). And "Babylon the great", or in the present tense, the daughters of Babylon, the religions stemming from Babylon, are also looking at serious consequences.

Building on what I said in my first post in this thread:

The sixth plague (Revelation 16:12-16) shows the preparations for the final battle, the battle of Armageddon. Aspects of this same battle have already been described in one way or another: the kings and all kinds of people cluster together in 6:15; the army beyond the Euphrates is summoned in 9:14; the Beast wars against the saints in 11:7 and 13:1-10. Further descriptions occur in 17:13-14; 19:11-21; and 20:7-10. The later passages describe the battle with increasing detail and precision, all based on the eschatological battle of Gog and Magog in Ezekiel 38-39. Throughout the church age there are times of intense confrontation between God and the forces of Satan (cf. 2:10, 13), but the most intense comes at the Second Coming (19:11-21).

Not all interpreters agree that these various verses describe the same battle. But once we appreciate the thematic concerns of Revelation, and the pattern of seven cycles all leading up to the Second Coming, the thematic unity of the various passages becomes a strong pointer to their inward unity. After all, how many last battles can there be, on the great day of God Almighty (16:14; cf. 6:16-17; 15:1!)?

The name is symbolic, and so cannot be used as a basis for speculations about geographical details of the final battle. In any case, the final battle is preeminently spiritual in character. Attempts to correlate it with the maneuvers of particular national armies miss the point. The battle is between the servants of God and the enemies of God, not between two earthly nations. Because of the missionary expansion of the church, nearly all nations now have in their midst both Christians and non-Christians.

The seventh bowl (Rev 16:17-21) brings the cycle of judgments to an end. Like the other cycles, this one ends with the Second Coming. Note that:

(a) 15:1 already told readers that the end of the wrath of God would come with the seventh bowl

(b) the removal of all islands and mountains in 16:20 corresponds to the final shaking of the earth in 6:14 and 20:11 (cf. Heb. 12:26-27)

(c) elsewhere the fall of Babylon is immediately followed by the marriage supper of the Lamb (19:1-10)

(d) in 17:14-17 the fall of Babylon is immediately associated with the final battle, which takes place at the Second Coming (19:11-21); moreover, the final battle was imminent in 16:16

(e) In Revelation the imagery of the final battle is repeatedly drawn from Ezekiel 38-39 (see note on 16:14). 16:17-21 fits into this practice by grouping together an earthquake, the overturning of the mountains, and hail, as in Ezek. 38:19-23. Hence it describes the divine plague-judgments accompanying the battle; a description of other aspects of the battle is delayed until 19:11-21 in keeping with the dramatic plan of Revelation.

Again, the name is symbolic, and so cannot be used as a basis for speculations about geographical details of the final battle. The final battle is preeminently spiritual in character. The battle is between the servants of God and the enemies of God, not between two earthly nations.

Revelation is not a puzzle book, but a picture book. It's about all of the church age -- which we are in the midst of now -- and it's end result is that at it's conclusion, Jesus wins. In this way, in the words of Revelation 1:3, all who read and hear the words of Revelation and heed the things which are written in it have been, are, and will be blessed.

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Har-Magedon is a place, as in "gathered together to the place which is called Har-Magedon" (Revelation 16:16)

Again, the name is symbolic, and so cannot be used as a basis for speculations about geographical details of the final battle. The final battle is preeminently spiritual in character. The battle is between the servants of God and the enemies of God, not between two earthly nations.

Revelation is not a puzzle book, but a picture book. It's about all of the church age -- which we are in the midst of now -- and it's end result is that at it's conclusion, Jesus wins. In this way, in the words of Revelation 1:3, all who read and hear the words of Revelation and heed the things which are written in it have been, are, and will be blessed.

The main writing in the Book of Revelation pertaining to the "Christian" church is "come out of her" or suffer of her plagues (Revelation 18:4).

Revelation 16:16, "Har-Magedon" is about when "I will gather all the nations, and bring them down to the valley of YHWH's judgment" (Joel 3:2) (Joel 3:2-3) "I will enter into judgment with them there on behalf of My people and My inheritance, Israel", whom they have scattered among the nations; and they have divided up My land. They have also cast lots for my people, traded a boy for a harlot, and sold a girl for wine that they may drink".

Har-Magedon has little to do with your church, as in the daughter of Babylon, or its supposed "age", except that during that period, the church, with the mark of the beast, will drink from the cup of God's wrath (Revelation 14:10), and be cast into the sea (Revelation 18:21).

If you want to read about the role of your "Christian" church, read Hosea 3, whereas the adulteress, who was bought for the equivalence of 30 shekels of silver, was kept for "many days", until the sons of Israel should return, "in the last days".

As for the "spiritual battle", it is one of the truth, imbibed with the Spirit of God, versus the big lie of the deceiver, whereas you "surely shall not die" (Genesis 3:3), which was also the big lie of the false prophet Paul, whereas you shall not die, such as "we shall not all sleep, but we shall be changed" (1 Corithians 15:51), and we will be changed from corruptible to incorruptible in a twinkling of an eye.

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Har-Magedon is a place, as in "gathered together to the place which is called Har-Magedon" (Revelation 16:16)

Again, the name is symbolic, and so cannot be used as a basis for speculations about geographical details of the final battle. The final battle is preeminently spiritual in character. The battle is between the servants of God and the enemies of God, not between two earthly nations.

Revelation is not a puzzle book, but a picture book. It's about all of the church age -- which we are in the midst of now -- and it's end result is that at it's conclusion, Jesus wins. In this way, in the words of Revelation 1:3, all who read and hear the words of Revelation and heed the things which are written in it have been, are, and will be blessed.

The main writing in the Book of Revelation pertaining to the "Christian" church is "come out of her" or suffer of her plagues (Revelation 18:4).

Revelation 16:16, "Har-Magedon" is about when "I will gather all the nations, and bring them down to the valley of YHWH's judgment" (Joel 3:2) (Joel 3:2-3) "I will enter into judgment with them there on behalf of My people and My inheritance, Israel", whom they have scattered among the nations; and they have divided up My land. They have also cast lots for my people, traded a boy for a harlot, and sold a girl for wine that they may drink".

Har-Magedon has little to do with your church, as in the daughter of Babylon, or its supposed "age", except that during that period, the church, with the mark of the beast, will drink from the cup of God's wrath (Revelation 14:10), and be cast into the sea (Revelation 18:21).

If you want to read about the role of your "Christian" church, read Hosea 3, whereas the adulteress, who was bought for the equivalence of 30 shekels of silver, was kept for "many days", until the sons of Israel should return, "in the last days".

As for the "spiritual battle", it is one of the truth, imbibed with the Spirit of God, versus the big lie of the deceiver, whereas you "surely shall not die" (Genesis 3:3), which was also the big lie of the false prophet Paul, whereas you shall not die, such as "we shall not all sleep, but we shall be changed" (1 Corithians 15:51), and we will be changed from corruptible to incorruptible in a twinkling of an eye.

As for the "spiritual battle", it is one of the truth, imbibed with the Spirit of God, versus the big lie of the deceiver, whereas you "surely shall not die" (Genesis 3:3), which was also the big lie of the false prophet Paul, whereas you shall not die, such as "we shall not all sleep, but we shall be changed" (1 Corithians 15:51), and we will be changed from corruptible to incorruptible in a twinkling of an eye.

Claims of the coming "spiritual battle" called "Har-Magedon" have proven themselves to be stuff and nonsense for 2,000 years. And that's the truth, because it is an undeniable fact.

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The main writing in the Book of Revelation pertaining to the "Christian" church is "come out of her" or suffer of her plagues (Revelation 18:4).

Right, but who is "her" referring to? "Her" is Babylon, who again, is the worldly city. A heavenly voice commands the saints (all Christians) to come out, that is, to be separate from Babylon’s (the world's) immorality. Purity and spiritual separation from worldliness are a repeated theme in the Bible (Isa. 48:20; 52:11; Jer. 50:8; 51:6, 45; 2 Cor. 6:17). When the temptations are subtle, as they frequently are in modern societies, vigilance, watchfulness, and understanding of the true nature of spiritual war are necessary. Revelation as a whole summons us to be aware of Satan’s schemes (2 Cor. 2:11).

Har-Magedon has little to do with your church, as in the daughter of Babylon, or its supposed "age", except that during that period, the church, with the mark of the beast, will drink from the cup of God's wrath (Revelation 14:10), and be cast into the sea (Revelation 18:21).

My goodness. No, in Revelation 14 and 18 we see the destruction of Babylon, which is the false, worldly "church," who worships the beast, or the false, worldly "Christ." I agree that it is not dealing primarily with Christ's Church.

If you want to read about the role of your "Christian" church, read Hosea 3, whereas the adulteress, who was bought for the equivalence of 30 shekels of silver, was kept for "many days", until the sons of Israel should return, "in the last days".

Though the name of the "woman" of Hosea 3:1 is not stated, she is understood to be Gomer, Hosea's wife. And this is symbolic of the adulteress (also 3:1) that the Lord pursues, not another people. Hosea is to retrieve his adulterous wife so that Israel will clearly know that the Lord still loves Israel, His spiritually unfaithful wife. The word "bought" in verse 2 which is properly understood to mean redeeming her from slavery. The amount paid is not great, and it shows the desperate condition into which Gomer -- again, representing Israel... Christ's Church -- had (has) fallen. Right, yeah, so,, in the last days, Christ will return for His bride, Israel, His Church, all believers.

As for the "spiritual battle", it is one of the truth, imbibed with the Spirit of God, versus the big lie of the deceiver, whereas you "surely shall not die" (Genesis 3:3), which was also the big lie of the false prophet Paul, whereas you shall not die, such as "we shall not all sleep, but we shall be changed" (1 Corithians 15:51), and we will be changed from corruptible to incorruptible in a twinkling of an eye.

<chuckles> Well, first of all, Paul wasn't a "prophet," except in the sense that we are all prophets, priests, and kings (under the true Prophet, Priest, and King... Jesus, of course). Paul was an apostle, which is to say he was one of the early Christian teachers, but he was a sinner, just like you and me, which he acknowledged of himself many times. As such, Paul reiterated many times over that we are already dead in our trespasses as a result of Adam's sin, and that we must be made alive -- given new birth in the Spirit -- to receive eternal life, in which case, when we pass from mortal life on this earth, we shall not then die the eternal death (separation from God) as unbelievers will but merely be changed and enter into eternal life in its fullness.

Not sure who you've been listening to, but, well, quit it.

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The main writing in the Book of Revelation pertaining to the "Christian" church is "come out of her" or suffer of her plagues (Revelation 18:4).

Right, but who is "her" referring to? "Her" is Babylon, who again, is the worldly city. A heavenly voice commands the saints (all Christians) to come out, that is, to be separate from Babylon’s (the world's) immorality. Purity and spiritual separation from worldliness are a repeated theme in the Bible (Isa. 48:20; 52:11; Jer. 50:8; 51:6, 45; 2 Cor. 6:17). When the temptations are subtle, as they frequently are in modern societies, vigilance, watchfulness, and understanding of the true nature of spiritual war are necessary. Revelation as a whole summons us to be aware of Satan’s schemes (2 Cor. 2:11).

Har-Magedon has little to do with your church, as in the daughter of Babylon, or its supposed "age", except that during that period, the church, with the mark of the beast, will drink from the cup of God's wrath (Revelation 14:10), and be cast into the sea (Revelation 18:21).

My goodness. No, in Revelation 14 and 18 we see the destruction of Babylon, which is the false, worldly "church," who worships the beast, or the false, worldly "Christ." I agree that it is not dealing primarily with Christ's Church.

If you want to read about the role of your "Christian" church, read Hosea 3, whereas the adulteress, who was bought for the equivalence of 30 shekels of silver, was kept for "many days", until the sons of Israel should return, "in the last days".

Though the name of the "woman" of Hosea 3:1 is not stated, she is understood to be Gomer, Hosea's wife. And this is symbolic of the adulteress (also 3:1) that the Lord pursues, not another people. Hosea is to retrieve his adulterous wife so that Israel will clearly know that the Lord still loves Israel, His spiritually unfaithful wife. The word "bought" in verse 2 which is properly understood to mean redeeming her from slavery. The amount paid is not great, and it shows the desperate condition into which Gomer -- again, representing Israel... Christ's Church -- had (has) fallen. Right, yeah, so,, in the last days, Christ will return for His bride, Israel, His Church, all believers.

As for the "spiritual battle", it is one of the truth, imbibed with the Spirit of God, versus the big lie of the deceiver, whereas you "surely shall not die" (Genesis 3:3), which was also the big lie of the false prophet Paul, whereas you shall not die, such as "we shall not all sleep, but we shall be changed" (1 Corithians 15:51), and we will be changed from corruptible to incorruptible in a twinkling of an eye.

<chuckles> Well, first of all, Paul wasn't a "prophet," except in the sense that we are all prophets, priests, and kings (under the true Prophet, Priest, and King... Jesus, of course). Paul was an apostle, which is to say he was one of the early Christian teachers, but he was a sinner, just like you and me, which he acknowledged of himself many times. As such, Paul reiterated many times over that we are already dead in our trespasses as a result of Adam's sin, and that we must be made alive -- given new birth in the Spirit -- to receive eternal life, in which case, when we pass from mortal life on this earth, we shall not then die the eternal death (separation from God) as unbelievers will but merely be changed and enter into eternal life in its fullness.

Not sure who you've been listening to, but, well, quit it.

Paul was a self professed apostle which makes that statement "not true" (John 5:31) He also said he saw Yeshua in the "wilderness" which according to Yeshua, "do not believe them" (Matthew 24:26). And certainly Paul said he was speaking for God, except where he pointed out that he was speaking his own mind.

1 Cor. 7:25, "Now concerning virgins I have no command of the Lord, but I give an opinion as one who by the mercy of the Lord is trustworthy."


As for Babylon, make up your mind, is she a city or a religion? Babylon the Great is the mother of harlots and abominations (Revelation 17:5). She sat on the beast with 7 heads (Revelation 17:3), which are the kings/leaders who persecuted Judah, from Nebuchadnezzar to the 8th head of the beast who was, is not and is the 8th (Revelation 17:11). The 6th head of the beast was the Augustus Caesars (Revelation 17:10), and the current religion sitting on Rome, is the Roman Catholic Church. That would make her a daughter of Babylon the Great, and those in Zion must "escape" the "daughter of Babylon" (Zechariah 2:7).

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Paul was a self professed apostle which makes that statement "not true" (John 5:31)

Actually, Riko, Luke testifies in Acts 9 to the Lord's calling of Saul (Paul). And so do the men (implicitly, by Luke's writing; verse 7) who traveled with Paul on the road to Demascus, because they heard Jesus call Saul (Paul). And actually, so did Ananias in verse 17. So by your own definition, you're statement here falls flat on its face... three times,

He also said he saw Yeshua in the "wilderness" which according to Yeshua, "do not believe them" (Matthew 24:26).

My goodness. This deserves no answer, except to say there is no connection here from what Jesus is saying to Paul. None. It's about people falsely claiming Jesus's return, which Paul never did.

And certainly Paul said he was speaking for God, except where he pointed out that he was speaking his own mind.
1 Cor. 7:25, "Now concerning virgins I have no command of the Lord, but I give an opinion as one who by the mercy of the Lord is trustworthy."

He acknowledges it as his opinion, but trusts that his opinion -- in this particular instance -- is given to him by the Lord, and it is the Lord who is trustworthy, not him. Wow.

As for Babylon, make up your mind, is she a city or a religion?

A religion? Who ever said that? Certainly not me. In Revelation, Babylon is symbolic for the "worldly city," which is really the unbelieving world.

Babylon the Great is the mother of harlots and abominations (Revelation 17:5).

Sure, but you're being to literalistic about it. Again, Revelation is a picture book, not a puzzle book. Yes, Rome was known as the city built on seven hills. At the time that John wrote, Rome was the principal embodiment of Babylon the worldly city. But who are the seven kings, five of whom have fallen? Revelation was written in about 67 A.D. If these five are the first five Roman emperors, beginning with Julius Caesar, and the sixth is then Nero, the reigning emperor at the time, the history of the Empire subsequent to Nero presents us with nothing but problems. After Nero came Galba, Otho, and Vitellius, in 68 A.D., the “year of three emperors.� One may not simply ignore them or skip them in order to arrive at Vespasian (69-79 A.D.) and the time of the fall of Jerusalem (70 A.D.). The sixth head is clearly near the end, and is to be succeeded by at most two more manifestations. Hence, this whole line of reasoning is off the track. The five who have fallen simply represent an indefinite number of previous emperors. The presence of the sixth indicates in symbolic fashion that Christians are near the end, but not quite there. The Beast itself is an eighth king (v. 11). Since there are only seven heads, the verse is not claiming that the Beast is an eighth head. Rather, the Beast symbolizes, in final manifestation, a power analogous to that of the seven.

So again I say, I don't know who you're listening to, but quit it.

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Paul was a self professed apostle which makes that statement "not true" (John 5:31)

Actually, Riko, Luke testifies in Acts 9 to the Lord's calling of Saul (Paul). And so do the men (implicitly, by Luke's writing; verse 7) who traveled with Paul on the road to Demascus, because they heard Jesus call Saul (Paul). And actually, so did Ananias in verse 17. So by your own definition, you're statement here falls flat on its face... three times,

He also said he saw Yeshua in the "wilderness" which according to Yeshua, "do not believe them" (Matthew 24:26).

My goodness. This deserves no answer, except to say there is no connection here from what Jesus is saying to Paul. None. It's about people falsely claiming Jesus's return, which Paul never did.

And certainly Paul said he was speaking for God, except where he pointed out that he was speaking his own mind.
1 Cor. 7:25, "Now concerning virgins I have no command of the Lord, but I give an opinion as one who by the mercy of the Lord is trustworthy."

He acknowledges it as his opinion, but trusts that his opinion -- in this particular instance -- is given to him by the Lord, and it is the Lord who is trustworthy, not him. Wow.

As for Babylon, make up your mind, is she a city or a religion?

A religion? Who ever said that? Certainly not me. In Revelation, Babylon is symbolic for the "worldly city," which is really the unbelieving world.

Babylon the Great is the mother of harlots and abominations (Revelation 17:5).

Sure, but you're being to literalistic about it. Again, Revelation is a picture book, not a puzzle book. Yes, Rome was known as the city built on seven hills. At the time that John wrote, Rome was the principal embodiment of Babylon the worldly city. But who are the seven kings, five of whom have fallen? Revelation was written in about 67 A.D. If these five are the first five Roman emperors, beginning with Julius Caesar, and the sixth is then Nero, the reigning emperor at the time, the history of the Empire subsequent to Nero presents us with nothing but problems. After Nero came Galba, Otho, and Vitellius, in 68 A.D., the “year of three emperors.� One may not simply ignore them or skip them in order to arrive at Vespasian (69-79 A.D.) and the time of the fall of Jerusalem (70 A.D.). The sixth head is clearly near the end, and is to be succeeded by at most two more manifestations. Hence, this whole line of reasoning is off the track. The five who have fallen simply represent an indefinite number of previous emperors. The presence of the sixth indicates in symbolic fashion that Christians are near the end, but not quite there. The Beast itself is an eighth king (v. 11). Since there are only seven heads, the verse is not claiming that the Beast is an eighth head. Rather, the Beast symbolizes, in final manifestation, a power analogous to that of the seven.

So again I say, I don't know who you're listening to, but quit it.

Luke, according to Luke 1-3, was a witness to nothing, and therefore is not a witness at all. As for the Luke supposedly saying Paul saw Yeshua in the wilderness, that would have been a self witness of Paul, a supposed friend of Luke, telling his story to Luke, because of the two different stories in Acts, no could either see in one story, or hear, in the other story. And for Paul to have seen Yeshua in the wilderness, Yeshua would have had to return.


As for Babylon being a church, you wrote: My goodness. No, in Revelation 14 and 18 we see the destruction of Babylon, which is the false, worldly "church," who worships the beast, or the false, worldly "Christ."

The eighth head of the beast was the one who was, and is not. The one that was, and is not, is the 5th head of the beast, Julius Caesar, who was slain and healed as the 6th head of the beast, Augustus Caesar (Revelation 13:3), and would again return as the 8th head of the beast, following the reign of the 7th head of the beast, Constantine, the father of the Roman church per his Council of Nicaea.