Who is the 7th head of the beast?

[showme]

As Revelation was written during the period of the 6th head of the beast (Revelation 17:10), the period of the Augustus Caesars, and we are now at "the end of the age" whereas the 8th head of the beast and his 10 horns reign, who is the 7th head of the beast, who will "arise after them" (Daniel 7:24)? The them, being the 10 horns of the 6th head of the beast, who reigned between the two Roman sackings of Jerusalem. And as the 7th head of the beast, the beast with two horns like a lamb, was to deceive "those who dwell on the earth", how was that done, and who were the two horns like a lamb, who were used to deceive.

[JehovahsWitness]

.. the nations come against Jerusalem, and are subsequently brought to heal by the LORD ...

Yes the nations will come against Jerusalem but you are probably thinking of a literal, brick and stone city whereas the "Jerusalem" the Christian scriptures speak of is a spiritual nation, represented by Christian "born again" believers. These individuals from every tribe and nation make up SPIRITUAL Israel, a people who are (as Paul put it) "Jews on the inside". Their circumcision is of the heart and their city is in heaven not in the Middle East.

It is this group and their companions, that have supported them in Witnessing for Jehovah's name, that will be the objects of a final attack, that will provoke a divine reaction from Jesus, our champion.

Although things will look dire, Jehovah's people will have NOTHING to fear!



JW




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[showme]

[Replying to post 9 by JehovahsWitness]

Anyway, we Jehovah's Witnesses interpret the verse to refer, not to various ceasars but to constructive world powers (the one that "is" being the one that existed when the Apostle John received the vision)

Revelation was no doubt written during the period of the Augustus Caesars, and "another" following them, Constantine, was also an Augustus Caesar. World War I was fought by a Caesar, in the form of the Germain Kaiser, and the Russian Czar, both terms for Caesar. Today, the term Caesar refers to emperors or dictators, of which Obama tried to become an emperor who ruled with pen and cell phone.

[showme]

.. the nations come against Jerusalem, and are subsequently brought to heal by the LORD ...

Yes the nations will come against Jerusalem but you are probably thinking of a literal, brick and stone city whereas the "Jerusalem" the Christian scriptures speak of is a spiritual nation, represented by Christian "born again" believers. These individuals from every tribe and nation make up SPIRITUAL Israel, a people who are (as Paul put it) "Jews on the inside". Their circumcision is of the hear and their city is I heaven.

It is this group and their companions, that have supported them in Witnessing for Jehovah's name, that will be the objects of a final attack, that will provoke a Divine reaction from Jesus, our champion.

Although things will look dire, Jehovah's people will have NOTHING to fear.

JW

You forget that Paul is the false prophet, who is one of the "horns like a lamb" who helped the "beast with two horns like a lamb", Constantine, to deceive "those who dwell on the earth". (Revelation 13:14). It is the demon spirit of the "false prophet" who is to help gather all the kings of the earth to Har-Magedon (Revelation 16:13-16). It will be Judah who fights the battle with the LORD at Jerusalem (Zechariah 14:14). If smart the JWs will be hiding under rocks (Isaiah 2:19).

[Tcg]

Today, the term Caesar refers to emperors or dictators, of which Obama tried to become an emperor who ruled with pen and cell phone.

In what way did Obama try to become emperor?

How did he use pen and cell phone in this attempt?

Please feel free to provide verifiable facts in answering these two questions. Thanks!

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to post 13 by showme]

If you look closely at the narrative, the False Prophet is just the Land/Earth Beast by another name. They both promote worship of the Scarlet Beast, they both impose the mark of the beast on the world.... in any case Jehovah's Witnesses believe that the False Prophet and the Land or Earth beast are the same thing (namely the AngloAmerican world power), that was instrumental in the creation of the league of Nations (presently known as the United Nations).

When the nations turn against Jehovah's people, Jesus will be the one that fights for us. Revelation ends with both the Dragon (Satan) and the beast (the UN) being destroyed.

NOTE This will not we believe be the destruction of the planet, the righteous will survive to enjoy paradise o earth under God's government!

JW

ps I use pictures because it is very hard to visualise the images presented in the book of revelation. I don't believe they are irrelevant or "irreverent"and they are not to trivialize the topic. Revelation is a visual based book and it is in my opinion the best way to communicate the theme dealt with

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[showme]

Today, the term Caesar refers to emperors or dictators, of which Obama tried to become an emperor who ruled with pen and cell phone.

In what way did Obama try to become emperor?

How did he use pen and cell phone in this attempt?

Please feel free to provide verifiable facts in answering these two questions. Thanks!

Caesar crossed the Rubicon, and changed the Roman Republic into a dictatorship apart from the Senate. Obama crossed the Rubicon leaving the Senate out, via his phone and pen, by executive order:
https://www.politico.com/story/2014/01/ ... egy-102151

[William]

When the nations turn against Jehovah's people...

So let's get this strait...you are expecting the world to 'turn against' the JWOrg? In what manner is this shown to you, being a fervent member of the JW sect? What signs that this is going to or is happening do you see that you can speak of?

[showme]

[Replying to post 13 by showme]

If you look closely at the narrative, the False Prophet is just the Land/Earth Beast by another name. They both promote worship of the Scarlet Beast, they both impose the mark of the beast on the world.... in any case Jehovah's Witnesses believe that the False Prophet and the Land or Earth beast are the same thing (namely the AngloAmerican world power), that was instrumental in the creation of the league of Nations (presently known as the United Nations).

When the nations turn against Jehovah's people, Jesus will be the one that fights for us. Revelation ends with both the Dragon (Satan) and the beast (the UN) being destroyed.

NOTE This will not we believe be the destruction of the planet, the righteous will survive to enjoy paradise o earth under God's government!

JW

ps I use pictures because it is very hard to visualise the images presented in the book of revelation. I don't believe they are irrelevant or "irreverent"and they are not to trivialize the topic. Revelation is a visual based book and it is in my opinion the best way to communicate the theme dealt with

It is the demon spirit of the false prophet, the beast, and the dragon, which draws the nations to Har-Magedon. The prophet, and the beast/Caesar are dead, and the dragon is destined for the pit.

The JWs are part of the nations/Gentiles. The kingdom of God is set up in Jerusalem, and the nations will keep the Feast of Booths every year (Zechariah 14:16). The kingdom will be set up under "My servant David", and Judah and the house of Israel will "live on the land that I gave to Jacob" (Ezekiel 37:16-25). The "strangers" will join themselves to the house of Jacob as male and female servants (Isaiah 14:1-2).

[JehovahsWitness]

The kingdom will be set up under "My servant David", and Judah and the house of Israel will "live on the land that I gave to Jacob" (Ezekiel 37:16-25).

I think you are wrong to associate kingdom blessings with the literal (fleshly) State of Israel. The true fulfillement of kingdom promises are global, not Middle Eastern and God's "servant" you refered to is I believe in reality Jesus Christ. The kingdom is a heavenly government, indeed Jesus often revered to it as "The kingdom of the HEAVENS" (compare Revelation 20:6). So while it will exercise power over the entire planet earth as one world government its members will be located in heaven, while it's subjects live on this planet earth.


The members of this government are also referred to collectively in the book of Revelation as "The bride of Christ" and "The new Jerusalem". There are precisely 144,000 of them and they are not exclusely chosen from the descendants of Abraham.


JW




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[showme]

The kingdom will be set up under "My servant David", and Judah and the house of Israel will "live on the land that I gave to Jacob" (Ezekiel 37:16-25).

I think you are wrong to associate kingdom blessings with the literal (fleshly) State of Israel. The true fulfillement of kingdom promises are global, not Middle Eastern and God's "servant" you refered to is I believe in reality Jesus Christ. The kingdom is a heavenly government, indeed Jesus often revered to it as "The kingdom of the HEAVENS" (compare Revelation 20:6). So while it will exercise power over the entire planet earth as one world government its members will be located in heaven, while it's subjects live on this planet earth.


The members of this government are also referred to collectively in the book of Revelation as "The bride of Christ" and "The new Jerusalem". There are precisely 144,000 of them and they are not exclusely chosen from the descendants of Abraham.

JW

The millennium is ruled by "Christ" and those who have "came to life", as in the saints, those without the mark of the beast (Revelation 20:4). The survivors of the nations/Gentiles, will travel to the earthly Jerusalem to worship the LORD of hosts every year.(Zechariah 14:16).

As for your 144,000 of Revelation 7, they are descendants of Jacob.

The righteous will come to life, and receive their "allotted portion" (Daniel 12:13). They will reign with "the anointed one" on earth for 1000 years. After the 1000 years, the rest of dead will rise from the dead for the great white throne judgment. You are feeding your fellow JWs sugary Kool Aide, as well as make believe cartoons.