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Could it be that Jesus-worshiping Christians are worshiping an innocent man who never asked for any of this?

If not, what makes you so certain that Jesus-worship is not a violation of the First Commandment?
My theological positions:

-God created us in His image, not the other way around.
-The Bible is redeemed by it's good parts.
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-The real Jesus is not God, the real YHVH is not a monster.
-Eternal life is a gift from the Living God.
-Keep the Commandments, keep your salvation.
-I have accepted YHVH as my Heavenly Father, LORD and Savior.

I am inspired by Jesus to worship none but YHVH, and to serve only Him.

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brianbbs67 wrote: [Replying to post 5 by Divine Insight]

I believe the Greek on that was actually "Love less". I am not an expert.
The experts involved in the following translations: NIV, NASB, KJV, ESV, NLT, RSV, YLT, and WYC, all used the word "hate" when translating this verse. It'd take more argumentation than "I believe" to consider them all flawed.

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Tcg wrote:
brianbbs67 wrote: [Replying to post 5 by Divine Insight]

I believe the Greek on that was actually "Love less". I am not an expert.
The experts involved in the following translations: NIV, NASB, KJV, ESV, NLT, RSV, YLT, and WYC, all used the word "hate" when translating this verse. It'd take more argumentation than "I believe" to consider them all flawed.
Even if the word means literally "hate", "love less" may be a more accurate interpretation of Jesus statements. He did, after all, use hyperbole quite a bit.
My theological positions:

-God created us in His image, not the other way around.
-The Bible is redeemed by it's good parts.
-Pure monotheism, simple repentance.
-YHVH is LORD
-The real Jesus is not God, the real YHVH is not a monster.
-Eternal life is a gift from the Living God.
-Keep the Commandments, keep your salvation.
-I have accepted YHVH as my Heavenly Father, LORD and Savior.

I am inspired by Jesus to worship none but YHVH, and to serve only Him.

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Or this could simply be another excuse to pretend Jesus didn't say what Jesus really said. Odd that believers never question the meaning of verses were Jesus used the word, "love".

Maybe when he used the word, "love", he really meant hate only slightly less. Apparently he used hyperbole quite a bit, or so the claim goes.

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Tcg wrote: [Replying to Elijah John]

Or this could simply be another excuse to pretend Jesus didn't say what Jesus really said. Odd that believers never question the meaning of verses were Jesus used the word, "love".

Maybe when he used the word, "love", he really meant hate only slightly less. Apparently he used hyperbole quite a bit, or so the claim goes.
Interesting negation. Do you dispute that Jesus used the poetic device of hyperbole?
My theological positions:

-God created us in His image, not the other way around.
-The Bible is redeemed by it's good parts.
-Pure monotheism, simple repentance.
-YHVH is LORD
-The real Jesus is not God, the real YHVH is not a monster.
-Eternal life is a gift from the Living God.
-Keep the Commandments, keep your salvation.
-I have accepted YHVH as my Heavenly Father, LORD and Savior.

I am inspired by Jesus to worship none but YHVH, and to serve only Him.

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Elijah John wrote:
Tcg wrote: [Replying to Elijah John]

Or this could simply be another excuse to pretend Jesus didn't say what Jesus really said. Odd that believers never question the meaning of verses were Jesus used the word, "love".

Maybe when he used the word, "love", he really meant hate only slightly less. Apparently he used hyperbole quite a bit, or so the claim goes.
Interesting negation. Do you dispute that Jesus used the poetic device of hyperbole?
You claimed he did. I repeated your claim.

Are you suggesting that your claim is flawed and I shouldn't trust it?

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Tcg wrote:
Elijah John wrote:
Tcg wrote: [Replying to Elijah John]

Or this could simply be another excuse to pretend Jesus didn't say what Jesus really said. Odd that believers never question the meaning of verses were Jesus used the word, "love".

Maybe when he used the word, "love", he really meant hate only slightly less. Apparently he used hyperbole quite a bit, or so the claim goes.
Interesting negation. Do you dispute that Jesus used the poetic device of hyperbole?
You claimed he did. I repeated your claim.

Are you suggesting that your claim is flawed and I shouldn't trust it?
No, I am asking if you are disputing my assertion that Jesus empolyed hyperbole in his rhetoric. You seem to be disputing that. Or are you just using a reversal and asking us to be consistent?
My theological positions:

-God created us in His image, not the other way around.
-The Bible is redeemed by it's good parts.
-Pure monotheism, simple repentance.
-YHVH is LORD
-The real Jesus is not God, the real YHVH is not a monster.
-Eternal life is a gift from the Living God.
-Keep the Commandments, keep your salvation.
-I have accepted YHVH as my Heavenly Father, LORD and Savior.

I am inspired by Jesus to worship none but YHVH, and to serve only Him.

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Elijah John wrote:
Tcg wrote:
Elijah John wrote:
Tcg wrote: [Replying to Elijah John]

Or this could simply be another excuse to pretend Jesus didn't say what Jesus really said. Odd that believers never question the meaning of verses were Jesus used the word, "love".

Maybe when he used the word, "love", he really meant hate only slightly less. Apparently he used hyperbole quite a bit, or so the claim goes.
Interesting negation. Do you dispute that Jesus used the poetic device of hyperbole?
You claimed he did. I repeated your claim.

Are you suggesting that your claim is flawed and I shouldn't trust it?
No, I am asking if you are disputing my assertion that Jesus empolyed hyperbole in his rhetoric. You seem to be disputing that.
I just stated quite clearly that I repeated your claim. You seem to be the one disputing it all of a sudden. Why is that?

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Tcg wrote:
brianbbs67 wrote: [Replying to post 5 by Divine Insight]

I believe the Greek on that was actually "Love less". I am not an expert.
The experts involved in the following translations: NIV, NASB, KJV, ESV, NLT, RSV, YLT, and WYC, all used the word "hate" when translating this verse. It'd take more argumentation than "I believe" to consider them all flawed.
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Tcg wrote:
brianbbs67 wrote: [Replying to post 5 by Divine Insight]

I believe the Greek on that was actually "Love less". I am not an expert.
The experts involved in the following translations: NIV, NASB, KJV, ESV, NLT, RSV, YLT, and WYC, all used the word "hate" when translating this verse. It'd take more argumentation than "I believe" to consider them all flawed.
You have the knowledge, I have the curiosity. What is the verbatim of this.

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brianbbs67 wrote:
Tcg wrote:
brianbbs67 wrote: [Replying to post 5 by Divine Insight]

I believe the Greek on that was actually "Love less". I am not an expert.
The experts involved in the following translations: NIV, NASB, KJV, ESV, NLT, RSV, YLT, and WYC, all used the word "hate" when translating this verse. It'd take more argumentation than "I believe" to consider them all flawed.
You have the knowledge, I have the curiosity. What is the verbatim of this.
Please explain the relevance of this request to my post. I see none.

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