Desire

[dio9]

Christianity is vague about the cause of suffering. But without doubt realize people are suffering. They call it sin. And everyone suffers under the curse of sin. But not what causes sin. What is the cause of sin? We dance around the tree of knowledge. Never knowing. Would it help if we knew the cause of our suffering? Christianity simply doesn't give us the answer. What is the root of universal human suffering? Is it haven eaten An apple or a peach?

[dio9]

[Replying to dio9]

Or do we suffer and rejoice alone?

[JehovahsWitness]

QUESTION Is the soul IMMORTAL?

Do you really think anything can destroy our soul?

Yes, God can destoy a soul.

MATTHEW 10:28

And you should not be afraid of those killing the body but not being able to kill the soul. Indeed rather you should fear the One being able to destroy both soul and body in Gehenna.- Berean Literal Bible

Catholicism teaches the soul is immortal . Likewise Hinduism teaches the soul is more than immortal but eternal , dwelling in us for a time.

The expression "immortal soul" never once appears in the bible. On the contrary the bible uses the words "soul" and "person" (or animal) interchanably and constantly speaks of "souls" dying. All human consciousness ceases at death (see Psalms 146:4)

https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/q ... is-a-soul/

The idea of an immortal soul surviving death is not biblical although it is common in paganism.



JEHOVAH'S WITNESS

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[dio9]

[Replying to ttruscott]

But the book of Job is all about the unjust capriciously inflicted suffering of Job. Job didnot cause his suffering. Its a complex story. What Jobs actions actually did is correct his suffering.

[dio9]

[Replying to post 6 by JehovahsWitness]

So you think we are responsible for our suffering?

[dio9]

[Replying to 1213]

Your post made me think , so they were cast into this world of death and the cause was disobedience? But Why did they disobey, seems to me the cause would be in that.

[1213]

It was nothing to do with Eve writing a theological thesis. Death is what happens to us because we are made that way, not because Adam bit a banana.

I don’t claim Adam ate a banana, just saying that because Adam and Eve rejected God, by eating the fruit, they were expelled from paradise and life to this first death. Yes, in Biblical point of view this “life� is actually the first death. But obviously you are free to choose what you believe.

Well so far all those who have entered death unafraid are still where they were placed. And those who went screaming, are still very much dead. We suffer because the constituent parts of our bodies are subject to decay. Now had we been made of stainless steel ….

We could be still destroyed as everything on this world can be destroyed.

[1213]

Do you really think anything can destroy our soul?

I believe what the Bible tells and on basis of it, God is the only one who can destroy soul.

And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Matt. 10:28

[1213]

Your post made me think , so they were cast into this world of death and the cause was disobedience? But Why did they disobey, seems to me the cause would be in that.

The cause for that they were expelled was that they ate the fruit. Reason why they ate the fruit seems to be:
- Eve ate the fruit, because he wanted to become like God
- Adam ate because he wanted to please Eve

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to post 6 by JehovahsWitness]

So you think we are responsible for our suffering?

Humans are certainly responsible for some of their suffering. Someone, for example, that abuses drugs or alcohol having been informed of the dangers of such behaviour certainly bears a measure of responsibility for any diseases or illnesses this may cause. Or someone that engages in dangerous behaviour such as drinking and driving is certainly responsible if he kills or injured himself or others.

That said, humans are also very much the victims of our unfortunate circumstances. The ultimate cause of sickness, old age and death are not our fault but the fault of Adam and Eve who made their decision long before any of us were born.

It is for this reason God has sent his son to provide a ransom, that will free us from the consequences of Adam's sin. Jehovah's witnesses call rhis "The Good News".




JW




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[dio9]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness]

yes but sickness old age and death did not end after Jesus' sacrifice.