Several of us here have accused persons of faith of lying by omission.
Is omitting things that don't fit your faith a sin ...?
Lying for Jesus ... Again
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I feel like an example is in order. Not sure what you mean.
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Re: Lying for Jesus ... Again
Post #3I'd like to see an example, too.StuartJ wrote: Several of us here have accused persons of faith of lying by omission.
Is omitting things that don't fit your faith a sin ...?
I do know that "lying for Jesus" is common enough. I started a thread about it last year,
Lying for Jesus. One member there claimed:
I since then have posted a lot of evidence that the Watchtower has indeed lied and on numerous occasions lied to cover up sex abuse and child abuse within its ranks. As far as I know there have been no deconversions from the Jehovah's Witnesses.JehovahsWitness wrote:If my religion depended upon lies to gain "converts" I wouldn't belong it.
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We'll have to take this as a generalisation ...
Otherwise, it becomes personal.
Simply take it that I and others have seen persons of faith lie by omission.
Perhaps Atheists who have discovered that one or more versions of "God" are more than imaginary also leave such unfortunate facts out of their submissions.
Is it a sin ...?
Otherwise, it becomes personal.
Simply take it that I and others have seen persons of faith lie by omission.
Perhaps Atheists who have discovered that one or more versions of "God" are more than imaginary also leave such unfortunate facts out of their submissions.
Is it a sin ...?
No one EVER demonstrates that "God" exists outside their parietal cortex.
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http://fmcusa.org/lightandlifemag/is-ly ... an-virtue/One day, when I was teaching doctor of ministry students at a conservative theological seminary, I brought up the subject of ethics and lies. Almost with one voice, those students let me know that “it is OK to lie, as long as we are lying for Jesus.�
No one EVER demonstrates that "God" exists outside their parietal cortex.
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From the OP:
I'm reminded of the notion of not attributing to malice what can best be explained by ignorance.
Is there such a thing as deceitful ignorance?
Our problem here is in determining if a given omission is the product of deceit or ignorance, and how a god we can't show exists might have him an opinion on it.Is omitting things that don't fit your faith a sin ...?
I'm reminded of the notion of not attributing to malice what can best be explained by ignorance.
Is there such a thing as deceitful ignorance?
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An example of a lie of omission in the context of Christianity might be to convert a person that you know abhors violence without telling that person about the inherent violence in Christianity and in the Bible.StuartJ wrote:http://fmcusa.org/lightandlifemag/is-ly ... an-virtue/One day, when I was teaching doctor of ministry students at a conservative theological seminary, I brought up the subject of ethics and lies. Almost with one voice, those students let me know that “it is OK to lie, as long as we are lying for Jesus.�
Another lie of omission might be to convert a person who wants to live a moral life they believe is probable as a Christian without telling that person that many Christians live very immoral lifestyles.
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Re: Lying for Jesus ... Again
Post #8If the bible is the standard to refer to determine what is and isn't sin, then it seems the answer is clearly yes:StuartJ wrote: Several of us here have accused persons of faith of lying by omission.
Is omitting things that don't fit your faith a sin ...?
Ephesians 4:14 "As a result, we are no longer to be children, tossed here and there by waves and carried about by every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, by craftiness in deceitful scheming; 15 but speaking the truth in love, we are to grow up in all aspects into Him who is the head, even Christ,"
Trickery of men is bad. Deceitful scheming is bad. Speaking the truth in love is good.
Re: Lying for Jesus ... Again
Post #9That passage from Ephesians defines truth as "growing up into Christ." In other words, truth is what we say truth is, and you must follow our god to realize that truth. It's very convenient to define truth as anything I say.Tcg wrote:If the bible is the standard to refer to determine what is and isn't sin, then it seems the answer is clearly yes:
Ephesians 4:14 "As a result, we are no longer to be children, tossed here and there by waves and carried about by every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, by craftiness in deceitful scheming; 15 but speaking the truth in love, we are to grow up in all aspects into Him who is the head, even Christ,"
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Re: Lying for Jesus ... Again
Post #10It's quite a trick. Truth would simply be one in a long list of words that get redefined to twist the meaning of inconvenient passages.Jagella wrote:
In other words, truth is what we say truth is, and you must follow our god to realize that truth. It's very convenient to define truth as anything I say.
