Is the doctrine of atonement true?

[Waterfall]

I would like to point to this book ( or Paul's Discourse) and hear your opinion about it:

http://thelight.support/shorterroad.html

http://thelightuniversal.org/page75.html

Should everybody read it?

I think it takes the debate to another level. Here we have Paul explaining it all to us. But maybe it is not Paul? Let us put that aside and hear what is being said. To me it sounds like the truth. Can the truth be defeated? How? What are your "arguments" for the doctrine of atonement? Or against it?

[ElCodeMonkey]

[Waterfall]

[Replying to post 2 by ElCodeMonkey]

Thank you for your kind respond.

I do not know what click-bait is...hmm...

The first link was just for context. The second link was for people to read and think about (it takes about 30-45 minutes to read it). For those who find it interesting I would point to this book:

http://uk.vandrermodlyset.dk/

It is an amazing book.

The only problem I have with this book is the description of the universe. But maybe there are other problems? I just like the book. To me it sounds like the truth. That is why I point to it.

And thank you for your explaination and "Scripture: Anti-Sacrifice".

I have much to learn.

[JehovahsWitness]

What are your "arguments" for the doctrine of atonement? Or against it?

Sacrificial atonement is a basic principle in both the Hebrew and the Christian scriptures. The bible remains therefore my principle reason for believing in it. I am one of Jehovah's Witnesses and we accept the bible as God's word and the authority on all things religious.

Your source states:

the Gospels ... must be, and in fact are, inaccurate on many points

..presumably we should trust Mr and Mrs Agerskov (probably from the Fabien Society or some such school of thought) over and above inspired scripture. This I believe would be a gross error.





JW

[myth-one.com]

Is the doctrine of atonement true?

No.

All mankind is appointed once to die:

And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

Jesus' death on the cross was His appointed death as a consequence of being born a human.

Since it was appointed, it cannot be an atonement for others.

[Waterfall]

Sacrificial atonement is a basic principle in both the Hebrew and the Christian scriptures. The bible remains therefore my principle reason for believing in it. I am one of Jehovah's Witnesses and we accept the bible as God's word and the authority on all things religious.

The bible is your authority...not the truth?

This book claim to be inspired:

http://uk.vandrermodlyset.dk/

To me it is a great lovestory...but is it true? Time will tell. I do not know. That is my position. Should it not be true then it would not make the bible true. One "lie" does not make another "lie" true. What is the truth? Who knows?

..presumably we should trust Mr and Mrs Agerskov (probably from the Fabien Society or some such school of thought) over and above inspired scripture. This I believe would be a gross error.

Should we trust Mr and Mrs Agerskov? In what way? To me they were truthseekers and much better people than me. Do you know anything about them? Are you danish? What information are available to you? Probably from the Fabien Society or some such school of thought...did that just pop up in your head? Why?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fabian_Society

What do this has to do with them?

If you want to learn about them then you might want to read this book:

http://thelightuniversal.org/page4.html

Maybe we should go back to the topic...have you read the book (or Paul's Discourse):

http://thelightuniversal.org/page75.html

How will you defend the doctrine of atonement? What are you up against? Paul himself? According to you he is dead and not risen yet, so...what are we to do? How can we debate this? ECM and MOC (thanks for that) has come with some things, so...?

I also find this relevant to think about (post 4):

viewtopic.php?p=943169#943169

How can I get Divine Insights brain

I hope you like music because I think we need some divine intervention here



A good day to you.

[JehovahsWitness]

Sacrificial atonement is a basic principle in both the Hebrew and the Christian scriptures. The bible remains therefore my principle reason for believing in it. I am one of Jehovah's Witnesses and we accept the bible as God's word and the authority on all things religious.

The bible is your authority...not the truth?

I believe the bible is God's word and God's word *is* truth. If any human teaching or theology conflicts with the bible, it's that teaching/ book/website/ couple.... that is in error, not God.

JOHN 17:17

"Sanctify them by means of the truth;+ your word is truth." JESUS CHRIST

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to post 6 by Waterfall]


DEMONS, WITCHES AND SPIRIT MEDIUMS

Your source states

" In 1908 a medium was contacted by intelligences from the spiritual world."

Under the mosaic law "spirit mediums" were to be put to death. The bible warns against consulting with spirit mediums because, far from communicating with good angels and helpful spirits, all spirit mediums are considered biblically as being in communication with demons (fallen angels) bent on misleading people from the divine truths found in the bible.


I believe If this is the source of the information it is demonic in origin and should be avoided at all cost.

JW

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[Waterfall]

I believe the bible is God's word and God's word *is* truth. If any human teaching or theology conflicts with the bible, it's that teaching/ book/website/ couple.... that is in error, not God.

But how will you defend the doctrine of atonement? Lets say I was the author of this book (or Paul's Discource):

http://thelightuniversal.org/page75.html

Why is my thinking wrong?

JOHN 17:17

"Sanctify them by means of the truth;+ your word is truth." JESUS CHRIST

Who was Jesus talking about?

I understand that you want to follow the truth...but what is the truth?

Are the world changing for the better or worse?



I like to listen to this man.

There is just something great about him:



Hope you like music and danse

[polonius]

JW posted.

"The bible remains therefore my principle reason for believing in it. I am one of Jehovah's Witnesses and we accept the bible as God's word and the authority on all things religious."

RESPONSE: Then you believe that Jesus was really born twice (Matthew vs Luke) and slaughtering of unbelievers is taught by God?


"Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt. Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass." (I Samuel 15:2-3)

Do you really believe that is God's word?