The Identity of the Beast of Revelation and His Mark

[christiang]

I just finished a new study on what the "beast of Revelation" actually is, and how it relates to what is already forming in Europe as a United States of Europe, and what the "mark of the beast" actually is, and how it relates to the greatest financial ponzi scheme that has ever existed on the earth, and how the United States relates to these visions in the book of Revelation, and who the "antichrist" actually is, and what he uses right now to rule over all the nations of the earth. Take a read, some of the information in the study may have things you've probably already heard, but there is a deeper and shocking truth that many overlook in how this "antichrist" rules over our daily lives, over everyone, rich and poor, small and great, believer and non-believer. http://www.wisdomofgod.co/2018/12/07/th ... ng-of-666/ .

[William]

[Replying to post 1 by christiang]

Hi christiang

A couple of questions;

Q: If Rome is so heavily associated with "the beast of Revelations", why is it that revelations is even part of the bible since it was apparently Rome that decided which books would be in the bible and which wouldn't?

You mention gold in terms that it is naturally valuable, especially in regard to paper and money. In reality gold is just a metal, no more intrinsically valuable than any other type of material.
Indeed, it can be argued that paper is far more useful than gold.

Q: Have you thought about that in this way at all?

You mention the GOD of the OT giving instruction as to trade and commerce - which of course involves values which are not intrinsic to nature.
Surely one type of trade over another using such value systems is in itself the root of the problem in that any value system which can be abused, shows that the system itself is incorrect/unnatural. Yet the OT GOD apparently endorses such an unnatural thing.

Q: Why do you think it is intrinsically acceptable to have an unnatural value system condoned by the GOD?

Q: How do you manage to survive without using these value systems?

[christiang]

Rome unwittingly passed down writings that spoke against it, just as the ancient Jews passed down writings that spoke against them. Doesn't make either of them righteous for simply passing down the set-apart writings.

Next, paper is not as intrinsically valuable as gold. One is more common than the other, thus creating value. Anyone can go out and acquire paper, even make paper on their own, but not anyone can find gold, then mine it, then refine it. It would be like saying plastic is as intrinsically valuable as plutonium, one is more common than the other. What makes using paper money evil is that it was first intended to represent gold, then the bankers took away the backing of gold, thus defrauding the nations of what paper money was intended to represent. It would be like you giving me your gold for safekeeping, and me giving you a redemption papers to redeem your gold, but all of a sudden I say, "your redemption papers will only give you back half the gold you gave me!" That is fraud, and that is essentially what has happened at a massive scale all over the world, through what is now called fiat currency. Understand. Or perhaps you like getting robbed and being in debt.

Commerce is not an evil thing, unequal balances and fraud is. And that is what paper money is.

[showme]

I just finished a new study on what the "beast of Revelation" actually is, and how it relates to what is already forming in Europe as a United States of Europe, and what the "mark of the beast" actually is, and how it relates to the greatest financial ponzi scheme that has ever existed on the earth, and how the United States relates to these visions in the book of Revelation, and who the "antichrist" actually is, and what he uses right now to rule over all the nations of the earth. Take a read, some of the information in the study may have things you've probably already heard, but there is a deeper and shocking truth that many overlook in how this "antichrist" rules over our daily lives, over everyone, rich and poor, small and great, believer and non-believer. http://www.wisdomofgod.co/2018/12/07/th ... ng-of-666/ .

The beast with two horns like a lamb was the 7th head of the beast (Revelation 13 & 17), and he was to "deceive" those "who dwell on the earth". He deceived "those who dwell on the earth" by means of the Roman church which he instituted at his convened Council of Nicaea in 312 A.D. His two "horns like a lamb", in which his Roman church deceived those who dwell on the earth, are Peter, the "worthless shepherd" of Zechariah 11:17, and Paul, the "staff"/"shepherd", who was called "Favor", because of his false gospel of grace, which means in God's favor. (Zechariah 11:10 & 17). We are now at the "end of the age", whereas we are in the era of the 8th head of the beast, who was, is not and is the 8th (Revelation 17:11), and who was the "beast" of Revelation 13:3-8. The original and oldest version of the number is 616, and not 666. 666 was a later insertion, and the Roman church, who canonized the general version of the NT, incorrectly links 666 to Nero.

In the "awesome day of the LORD", "gold", "silver", and "garments" is show to have value (Zechariah 14:12). Silver is now in great demand because of it's use in electronics. Gold works better, but is too expensive to consider in most cases. Garments are nice, because they can keep you warm when the sun does not shine.

[christiang]

[Replying to post 4 by showme]

No. And that doesn't even make sense either, the first beast is one beast. And the second beast is another beast. The second beast is not a head of the first beast, otherwise there wouldn't be a "second" beast. Be logical.

[showme]

[Replying to post 5 by christiang]

Get real. The beast has 7 heads (Revelation 13:1). "One of the heads" was "slain", and "his fatal wound was healed". (Revelation 13:3). It was "another beast", such as another head, Constantine, who "exercises all the authority of the first beast" who had been slain, which was Julius Caesar, who was slain and then healed as Augustus Caesar. The same story line can be found in Daniel, but as with Revelation, the "wicked"/sinners can not understand (Daniel 12:10) & (Matthew 13:13) & (Isaiah 6:9-10)

Revelation 13:12 It exercised all the authority of the first beast on its behalf, and made the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose fatal wound had been healed.

[christiang]

[Replying to post 6 by showme]

And then the head was slain again when Augustus Ceasar died? Haha. It never ceases to amaze me how people choose to believe nonsense over the truth.

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to post 1 by christiang]

The Jehovah's Witnesses interpretation is that the land beast represents the anglo-american world power; it corresponds to the little horn of Daniel chap 7 & 8



For more explanations of the book of Revelation please see my earlier POSTS linked below
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 897#918897

[showme]

[Replying to post 6 by showme]

And then the head was slain again when Augustus Ceasar died? Haha. It never ceases to amaze me how people choose to believe nonsense over the truth.

Julius Caesar, the 5th head of the beast, was slain by Brutus and the Senate, and later declared a god by the Senate. Octavius was the 1st Augustus Caesar, who had 10 horns, who ruled during the interval of the conquest of Jerusalem by Caesar and Pompey, and the rule of Titus, who destroyed Jerusalem. The 7th head of the beast, called "another" by Revelation 13:11 & Daniel 7:24, was Constantine. The "beast", Julius Caesar, and "false prophet", Paul, are dead, and their "demon spirits" now gather all the kings of the world to Har-Magedon (Revelation 16:13-19). All the Augustus Caesars, including Constantine, ruled with the authority of Julius Caesar (Revelation 13:12), who received his authority from the "dragon" (Revelation 13:4).

[showme]

[Replying to post 8 by JehovahsWitness]

The Jehovah's Witnesses interpretation is that the land beast represents the anglo-american world power; it corresponds to the little horn of Daniel chap 7 & 8

The "little horn" of Danie 7:7, of the "fourth beast", Rome, is different from the "small horn" of Daniel 8:9, which represents Antiochus. Both horns represented kingdoms which destroyed Jerusalem, and persecuted the saints and suspended sacrifice. Antiochus, like the false prophet Paul, suspended circumcision while at the same time promoted eating swine.