If God is Spirit how is it that a spiritual realm containing myriad spiritual beings exists?
Believers insist they to will become Spiritually born of God.
I'm sensing some theological difficulties with a uncreated God creating beings that are like him in substance.
Also if his substance can be created it would certainly confirm that it to can have a beginning. And if it can have a beginning it must have had a beginning.
Recreating the uncreated
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Post #11
postroad wrote:
After Adam and Eve rejected God, sin entered the world. In result, all human beings are born with their spirits dead in sin. When Christians speak of being born of God, that means that the Holy Spirit brings their dead spirits alive upon acceptance of Jesus Christ as Saviour. See here:
https://www.gotquestions.org/born-again.html
God is indeed an uncreated being and has always existed. We are the beings he created. See here:
https://www.compellingtruth.org/who-created-God.html
postroad wrote:
Jesus did NOT add belief in him as a requirement in addition to the Law. Jesus came to fulfill the Law (Matt. 5:17). That means that, since none of us could keep ALL of the Law perfectly (which we would have to do to gain salvation), he came to fulfill its requirements on our behalf. It is belief in Christ (acceptance of him as having died to atone for our sins and resurrected to eternal life) that brings salvation as stated here:
If you declare with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved (Rom. 10:9)
But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions—it is by grace you have been saved. And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus, in order that in the coming ages he might show the incomparable riches of his grace, expressed in his kindness to us in Christ Jesus. For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast (Ephesians 2:4-9).
postroad wrote:
When the Bible says that God created humankind in his image, he isn't saying that he created us in the same substance that he is. He is indeed Spirit (John 4:24). We, however, are tripartite beings having mind/soul, spirit and body. When the Bible says God created us in his likeness, it means that he created us with free will, with the ability to think and reason, make decisions, love others, etc.If God is Spirit how is it that a spiritual realm containing myriad spiritual beings exists?
Believers insist they to will become Spiritually born of God.
I'm sensing some theological difficulties with a uncreated God creating beings that are like him in substance.
Also if his substance can be created it would certainly confirm that it to can have a beginning. And if it can have a beginning it must have had a beginning.
After Adam and Eve rejected God, sin entered the world. In result, all human beings are born with their spirits dead in sin. When Christians speak of being born of God, that means that the Holy Spirit brings their dead spirits alive upon acceptance of Jesus Christ as Saviour. See here:
https://www.gotquestions.org/born-again.html
God is indeed an uncreated being and has always existed. We are the beings he created. See here:
https://www.compellingtruth.org/who-created-God.html
postroad wrote:
Jesus initiated the kingdom of God when he came to earth. However, it will not be fully implemented until his second coming. Theologians refer to it as "already, but not yet".Jesus confirmed that his kingdom was not of this world. He also added belief in him (whatever that is) as a requirement in addition to the Law. This is presented as a mystery revealed only to the elect which did not include national Israel.
Jesus did NOT add belief in him as a requirement in addition to the Law. Jesus came to fulfill the Law (Matt. 5:17). That means that, since none of us could keep ALL of the Law perfectly (which we would have to do to gain salvation), he came to fulfill its requirements on our behalf. It is belief in Christ (acceptance of him as having died to atone for our sins and resurrected to eternal life) that brings salvation as stated here:
If you declare with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved (Rom. 10:9)
But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions—it is by grace you have been saved. And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus, in order that in the coming ages he might show the incomparable riches of his grace, expressed in his kindness to us in Christ Jesus. For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast (Ephesians 2:4-9).
postroad wrote:
God created us to be in a loving relationship with him and with each other. Love must be given freely if it's true. But if you give someone the freedom to love you, you also give them the freedom NOT to love you. Adam and Eve had that freedom and they rejected God. Every human being, including you and I, have the freedom to love God or not love him. If someone doesn't want to have anything to do with God here on earth, God will confirm his choice in the next life. People can't blame God for the choices they make, whether good or bad.God must not be a loving creator. He destined sentient beings for eternal torment.
Post #12
[Replying to post 11 by Overcomer]
Every point you made is rejected by someone claimng to be a fellow Christians on this forum. Why are you correct and they aren't?
In fact I can bring up multiple texts supporting and refuteing them.
In fact that's exactly what happens here day after day.
I wish believers would reach a consensus on what correct belief is.
Every point you made is rejected by someone claimng to be a fellow Christians on this forum. Why are you correct and they aren't?
In fact I can bring up multiple texts supporting and refuteing them.
In fact that's exactly what happens here day after day.
I wish believers would reach a consensus on what correct belief is.
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Re: Recreating the uncreated
Post #13...does not mean to be created as a spirit by GOD since all people are spirits (already) who are in a body. To be born spiritually in GOD is a euphemism for being brought back from a spiritual unawareness and separation from GOD by sin to being GOD aware and GOD acceptable by redemption and repentance.postroad wrote:Spiritually born of God.
PCE Theology as I see it...
We had an existence with a free will in Sheol before the creation of the physical universe. Here we chose to be able to become holy or to be eternally evil in YHWH's sight. Then the physical universe was created and all sinners were sent to earth.
This theology debunks the need to base Christianity upon the blasphemy of creating us in Adam's sin.
We had an existence with a free will in Sheol before the creation of the physical universe. Here we chose to be able to become holy or to be eternally evil in YHWH's sight. Then the physical universe was created and all sinners were sent to earth.
This theology debunks the need to base Christianity upon the blasphemy of creating us in Adam's sin.
Re: Recreating the uncreated
Post #14[Replying to post 13 by ttruscott]
At the resurrection what will we be?
Where and what are we in between death and then?
I thought Gnosticism was a heresy that was anathema to Christianity?
At the resurrection what will we be?
Where and what are we in between death and then?
I thought Gnosticism was a heresy that was anathema to Christianity?
Post #15
Overcomer posted:
1. Jews and other non-Christians have dead spirits?
2. How do you equate spiritual death with physical death?
Are you saying that:After Adam and Eve rejected God, sin entered the world. In result, all human beings are born with their spirits dead in sin. When Christians speak of being born of God, that means that the Holy Spirit brings their dead spirits alive upon acceptance of Jesus Christ as Saviour.
1. Jews and other non-Christians have dead spirits?
2. How do you equate spiritual death with physical death?
