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Divine Dictation

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Would the following text confirm the concept of divine dictation.

Luke 24:44-45 New International Version (NIV)

44 He said to them, “This is what I told you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms.�

45 Then he opened their minds so they could understand the Scriptures.

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Re: Divine Dictation

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postroad wrote: Would the following text confirm the concept of divine dictation.

Luke 24:44-45 New International Version (NIV)

44 He said to them, “This is what I told you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms.�

45 Then he opened their minds so they could understand the Scriptures.
Not necessarily, only thing Jesus statement there would confirm is that he believed the prophetic portions of the Hebrew Bible were all about him. But Jesus, like many Christians today, seems to have seen prophecy everywhere, in the Law, in the Psalms, as well as, of course, in the books of the Prophets.

If the Bible was dictated, word by word, there would be no room for error or contradiction. But there are both.
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Re: Divine Dictation

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[Replying to post 2 by Elijah John]

Sensing some theological difficulties with your POV.

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postroad wrote: [Replying to post 2 by Elijah John]

Sensing some theological difficulties with your POV.
Such as?
My theological positions:

-God created us in His image, not the other way around.
-The Bible is redeemed by it's good parts.
-Pure monotheism, simple repentance.
-YHVH is LORD
-The real Jesus is not God, the real YHVH is not a monster.
-Eternal life is a gift from the Living God.
-Keep the Commandments, keep your salvation.
-I have accepted YHVH as my Heavenly Father, LORD and Savior.

I am inspired by Jesus to worship none but YHVH, and to serve only Him.

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Re: Divine Dictation

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[Replying to post 4 by Elijah John]

Jesus was a delusional individual.

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postroad wrote: [Replying to post 4 by Elijah John]

Jesus was a delusional individual.
Exactly. There's no room for error in the words of Jesus. If Jesus didn't know what he was talking about the entire religion fails.

Christians can certainly toss out the writings of Paul without much loss. But they are pretty much stuck with Mark, Matthew, Luke and John as representing the words of Jesus. They are also stuck with having to embrace every jot and tittle of the Old Testament. They really have no choice because Jesus supported every jot and tittle of it.

And Jesus can't be wrong. If Jesus is wrong about anything the whole of Christianity falls.
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How accurately reported are the words of Jesus?

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Lets use some common sense in evaluating the reported sayings of Jesus in the gospels.

Jesus lived from 1 AD (or 4 BC) until 30 or 33 AD. The Gospels were written between 70 and 95 AD by non-witnesses. Is it realistic to expect total accuracy?

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Depends? Is Christianity the new covenant or not?

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postroad wrote: [Replying to post 4 by Elijah John]

Jesus was a delusional individual.
Where do you get that from anything I have said? How does that anwer my request for an example of you finding "theological problems with my POV"?
My theological positions:

-God created us in His image, not the other way around.
-The Bible is redeemed by it's good parts.
-Pure monotheism, simple repentance.
-YHVH is LORD
-The real Jesus is not God, the real YHVH is not a monster.
-Eternal life is a gift from the Living God.
-Keep the Commandments, keep your salvation.
-I have accepted YHVH as my Heavenly Father, LORD and Savior.

I am inspired by Jesus to worship none but YHVH, and to serve only Him.

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Re: How accurately reported are the words of Jesus?

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polonius wrote: Lets use some common sense in evaluating the reported sayings of Jesus in the gospels.

Jesus lived from 1 AD (or 4 BC) until 30 or 33 AD. The Gospels were written between 70 and 95 AD by non-witnesses. Is it realistic to expect total accuracy?
Absolutely.

If Jesus represents "The Truth" and the only information we have about Jesus comes from the Gospels, then those Gospels had better contain the truth. Otherwise it's meaningless to point to the Gospels as representing Jesus. And without the Gospels there's no Jesus to point to.

So yes, it's not only realistic to expect total accuracy, but without it the religion has nothing to offer.

If we can't trust words assigned to Jesus, then there's nothing there to trust.
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