Jesus liked his wine.

[JJ50]

It is obvious Jesus was very partial to his wine, he made it part of the sacrament and ensured it didn't run out at the wedding feast. When I have pointed this out to Christians who think it wrong to drink alcohol because god thinks it is wrong, they say the wine Jesus imbibed was non alcoholic, REALLY?

[PinSeeker]

There is nothing wrong with wine (or alcohol) in and of itself, or drinking and enjoying it. Abuse of alcohol is the sin.

And this can be extrapolated out to the entire concept of sin:

Sin is not merely "doing bad things." It's actually being abusive of... and even idolatrous of and religious toward... those things. It's not the thing itself, it's the heart that causes us to give in to temptation. And the fact is, we all are this way, at least to some extent, because it's our nature to do be this way. And this is the reason for our need of a Redeemer. Every single last one of us, Christian or not, needs a savior (Jesus); we're all in the same boat. The great thing is, that salvation is freely available and accessible to all; God is an "equal opportunity saver."

[bjs]

[Replying to JJ50]

You are correct. Jesus drank wine. A Christian who claims that he did not is using the Bible to justify his beliefs instead of building his beliefs on the Bible.

A person can recognize the dangers of alcohol abuse without making false claims about Jesus.

[JJ50]

Alcohol should be enjoyed in strict moderation. I am glad to say I have never been drunk in my life.

[benchwarmer]

It is obvious Jesus was very partial to his wine, he made it part of the sacrament and ensured it didn't run out at the wedding feast. When I have pointed this out to Christians who think it wrong to drink alcohol because god thinks it is wrong, they say the wine Jesus imbibed was non alcoholic, REALLY?

At least he didn't pull a Noah:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?s ... ersion=NIV

20 Noah, a man of the soil, proceeded[a] to plant a vineyard. 21 When he drank some of its wine, he became drunk and lay uncovered inside his tent. 22 Ham, the father of Canaan, saw his father naked and told his two brothers outside. 23 But Shem and Japheth took a garment and laid it across their shoulders; then they walked in backward and covered their father’s naked body. Their faces were turned the other way so that they would not see their father naked.

24 When Noah awoke from his wine and found out what his youngest son had done to him, 25 he said,

“Cursed be Canaan!
The lowest of slaves
will he be to his brothers.�

What a guy. Makes some wine, get's black out drunk, then blames his poor son for accidentally seeing him passed out and naked. Seems like a good reason to curse an entire group of people. Thank goodness Jesus had more control.

[Tcg]

It is obvious Jesus was very partial to his wine, he made it part of the sacrament and ensured it didn't run out at the wedding feast.

The sacrament could be performed with just a sip of wine, but it's hard to believe this was the case at the wedding feast. The folks there could not have raved about the quality of the second batch compared to the first batch unless they'd tasted both. A wedding feast isn't a wine tasting, so I doubt they spit the wine out after tasting it. Undoubtable, some folks got a bit tipsy and at least of few may have gotten seriously drunk. All as a result of Jesus' first recorded miracle.




Tcg

[brunumb]

[Replying to post 2 by PinSeeker]

And the fact is, we all are this way, at least to some extent, because it's our nature to do be this way.

If it is our nature to be this way, then doing sinful things is only natural. Who gave us our nature anyway? It is absurd to then consider that a God will forgive us for behaving naturally, but only if we go against another aspect of our nature and that is to believe something which we personally see as unjustified. Christianity has more twists and turns than a pretzel.

[JJ50]

[Replying to post 7 by brunumb]

It is absurd to expect to be forgiven by a god, which behaved worse than any human, even the worst of the species, if the deeds attributed to it in the Bible are true.

[marco]

What a guy. Makes some wine, get's black out drunk, then blames his poor son for accidentally seeing him passed out and naked. Seems like a good reason to curse an entire group of people. Thank goodness Jesus had more control.

The building of the Titanic took its toll on Noah, who was hundreds of years old. It was disgraceful of the son to see his dad drunkenly naked or nakedly drunk. Jesus, on the other hand, having sipped some champagne, suggested that people afterwards do the same and experience the same wonderful feeling.

Sadly this has been interpreted in some quarters as meaning they magically drink Christ's blood, rather than fizzy wine. All very confusing.

[Tcg]

What a guy. Makes some wine, get's black out drunk, then blames his poor son for accidentally seeing him passed out and naked. Seems like a good reason to curse an entire group of people. Thank goodness Jesus had more control.

The building of the Titanic took its toll on Noah, who was hundreds of years old. It was disgraceful of the son to see his dad drunkenly naked or nakedly drunk. Jesus, on the other hand, having sipped some champagne, suggested that people afterwards do the same and experience the same wonderful feeling.

Sadly this has been interpreted in some quarters as meaning they magically drink Christ's blood, rather than fizzy wine. All very confusing.

As a young child, my family attended a Southern Baptist church. We got neither Christ's blood nor fizzy wine. I think it was Welch's grape juice. What a dull substitute.



Tcg