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[font=Verdana]Regardless of what anybody thinks Christ meant; one thing is for sure: unless people somehow eat his flesh and drink his blood, they have no life in them; viz: they are quite dead on the hoof.

â—� John 6:53 . . Jesus said: "Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you."

The kind of life about which he spoke isn't organic life; rather, it's a supernatural kind of life.

â—� John 6:54 . . .Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life,

According to John 10:28, eternal life is an imperishable kind of life. In other words; people need to obtain it only once, and they never have to obtain it again because eternal life cannot die, nor does it spoil or decay. Were that not true, then God would've died of old age long ago.
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Peace to you Webershome,

Christ is the TRUE manna from heaven, from whom we must eat, and live. Yes!

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[font=Verdana][/font] [font=Georgia]FAQ[/font][font=Verdana]: This eternal life that Jesus spoke of; isn't it for the future after people pass on?[/font]

[font=Georgia]A[/font][font=Verdana]: Note the grammatical tense of Jesus' statement below; it's present tense rather than future; indicating that when people correctly eat Jesus' flesh, and correctly drink his blood; they are in possession of eternal life right now-- no delay and no waiting period.

â—� John 6:54 . . Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood "has" eternal life
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[font=Verdana]� John 6:52 . .The Jews quarreled among themselves, saying, “How can this man give us his flesh to eat?�

His opponents weren't alone in their struggle to understand Jesus; his followers were baffled too.

� John 6:60 . .Then many of his disciples who were listening said, “This saying is hard; who can accept it?�

â—� John 6:66 . . From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.

Well; we can hardly find fault with their decision to go away; I mean after all, the man was not only talking about cannibalism; but it is a breech of the Jews' covenant with God to eat blood.

â—� Lev 7:27 . . If anyone eats blood, that person must be cut off from his people.

â—� Lev 17:10 . . Any Israelite, or any alien living among them, who eats any blood-- I will set My face against that person who eats blood and will cut him off from his people.

Someone might object that those passages forbid eating the blood of birds and beasts, but don't specifically outlaw eating human blood. Personally I don't see how the latter would be any less disgusting than the former, but I'm willing to leave the human blood question to each man's own conscience because, to my knowledge, the Bible doesn't address vampirism.

Jesus and his men were all Jews under the jurisdiction of the covenant that Moses' people agreed upon with God as per Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy. If perchance their covenant forbids eating all blood, including human blood, then Jesus led his men into sin on the night of his last supper if the fruit of the vine that they all shared was in fact transubstantiation.
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[font=Verdana][/font][font=Georgia]FAQ[/font][font=Verdana]: The bread that Jesus spoke of in John 6:50-51 is his body, i.e. his flesh and blood (1Cor 10:17). But Jesus has been in possession of two versions of his body: a natural version and a glorified version; i.e. a mortal and an immortal. Which version pertains to the flesh and blood he spoke of in John 6:53-54?[/font]

[font=Georgia]A[/font][font=Verdana]: The natural version.

â—� John 6:51 . . I am the living bread that came down from heaven; whoever eats this bread will live forever; and the bread that I will give is my flesh for the life of the world.

The flesh that Jesus gave for the life of the world had to be his natural flesh because glorified flesh is immortal, whereas natural flesh is easily destroyed.

The body that Jesus shared with his men at the last supper is the one that died on the cross.

â—� Luke 22:19 . . And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying: This is my body given for you

â—� 1Cor 11:23-24 . .The Lord Jesus, on the night he was betrayed, took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and said: This is my body, which is for you

In addition, the blood that Jesus shared with his men wasn't his glorified blood, it was his crucified blood.

â—� Matt 26:27-29 . .Then he took the cup, gave thanks and offered it to them, saying: Drink from it, all of you. This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins. (See also Mark 14:23-24, Luke 22:20)
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[font=Verdana][/font][font=Georgia]FAQ[/font][font=Verdana]: How are people supposed to eat and drink the natural version of Jesus' flesh and blood when neither any longer exist?[/font]

[font=Georgia]A[/font][font=Verdana]: I wish I had a pat answer for that question but thus far, one has eluded me.[/font]

[font=Georgia]FAQ[/font][font=Verdana]: Why is this so difficult to figure out that even the best and brightest theologians cannot agree on it?[/font]

[font=Georgia]A[/font][font=Verdana]: Because Jesus' words were spirit. (John 6:63)

I can understand some Spanish, but spirit is totally out of my depth. I can read the spirit words that Jesus spoke because they're translated into English, which is a language I understand. But though I easily understand the English version of Jesus' spirit words, I don't really know what they're saying because they're coded in spirit.

This problem is very similar to computer code. I can easily read computer code when it's written with English numbers, letters, and symbols; but I haven't the foggiest notion what that code is saying though it's written with numbers, letters, and symbols very familiar to me.

Trying to understand Jesus in that section of the 6th chapter of John without a spirit language translator is like blind men in a dark room looking for a black cat that isn't there.
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[font=Verdana]â—� John 6:53 . . Jesus said: "Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you."

â—� John 6:54 . . .Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life,

â—� John 6:50-51a . . This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die. I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever.
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[font=GEORGIA]FAQ[/font][font=VERDANA]: Does any of the above apply to Old Testament personages, e.g. Able, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joshua. Ruth, Gideon, Samson, and David, et al?[/font]

[font=GEORGIA]A[/font][font=VERDANA]: Yes; all of them.[/font]

[font=GEORGIA]FAQ[/font][font=VERDANA]: How do you know that?[/font]

[font=GEORGIA]A[/font][font=VERDANA]: Jesus' crucifixion benefits the whole world rather than only a portion of the world.

â—� John 6:51b . . the bread that I will give is my flesh for the life of the world.

â—� 1John 2:2 . . He himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for the whole world.

â—� John 1:29 . . Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!
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[font=GEORGIA]FAQ[/font][font=VERDANA]: Did they even know about Jesus back then?[/font]

[font=GEORGIA]A[/font][font=VERDANA]: Abraham knew.

â—� John 8:56 . . Abraham rejoiced to see my day, and he saw it and was glad.

Jacob knew.

â—� Gen 49:18 . .I have waited for thy salvation, O Lord

Isaiah knew.

â—� Isa 52:14 . .There were many who were appalled at him-- his appearance was so disfigured beyond that of any man and his form marred beyond human likeness

â—� Isa 53:6 . .We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to his own way; and the Lord has laid on him the iniquity of us all.

Others among the prophets knew too.

â—� 1Pet 1:10-11 . . Of which salvation the prophets have inquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

David knew.

â—� Ps 16:10 . .You will not abandon me to the grave, nor will you let your Holy One see decay. (cf. Acts 2:25-36)
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[font=GEORGIA]FAQ[/font][font=VERDANA]: Well, if there was no such thing as a communion service until Jesus' last supper, then how did those people back there eat his flesh and drink his blood?[/font]

[font=GEORGIA]A[/font][font=VERDANA]: Hook, line, and sinker; if you get my drift. For example:

Many years ago, when I was a young welder just starting out in the trade, a Baptist man employed by the same company for whom I worked; asked me if I was going to heaven. Of course I replied that I didn't know: I was a Catholic, and Catholics don't know things like that. Then he asked me the question that put my life on a whole new track: Haven't you heard that Christ died for you?

Of course I had heard of Christ's crucifixion in catechism, but not till that moment did I realize it was so personal, and especially; so complete.

Coincidentally, I had only recently been doing some serious thinking about hell. The way I figured it; this kid would never be good enough to merit going to heaven, so hell was pretty much a foregone conclusion for the likes of me. But the very moment that man's question sank into my thick skull; I instantly knew that heaven was in the bag. I had swallowed the story about the offering of Jesus' flesh and blood for my sins hook, line, and sinker.

Some may call me naïve for so easily buying into Jesus' dying for my sins, but I don't feel naïve; no, I feel very fortunate.

â—� Mark 10:15 . . I tell you the truth, anyone who will not receive the kingdom of God like a little child will never enter it.
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