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Which god is God?

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Many, many cultures have imagined God in many, many ways. Certain cultures declare everyone else's idea of God to be false.

How do we objectively determine whose version of God is NOT false?
"God" … just whatever humans imagine it to be.

"Scripture" … just whatever humans write it to be.

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Re: Which god is God?

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JehovahsWitness wrote: [Replying to post 19 by Tcg]

I'm not avoiding I'm trying to clarify what you are asking. I took "not false" to be a synonym for TRUE but if I was mistaken please explain. The posts and links I have I have provided look at imho every conceivable approach to the question in the OP ... If I have missed something and there is an aspect I have not dealt with, please just clarify what it is.

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You have now avoided the question the OP asks for a fifth time. I've clarified what it is for four times.


Do you really need me to quote it again?



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Re: Which god is God?

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1 CORINTHIANS 8: 4-5

"For even though there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many “gods� and many “lords,� there is actually to us one God, the Father, from whom all things are and we for him " - NWT
Tcg wrote:
How do we objectively determine YHWH is NOT false?


♦ANSWER If by "not false" one means TRUE (ie, if the question is essentially: How can one objectively determine if YHWH (the God of the bible) is indeed the Creator of the universe and a God worthy of worship?", then one would have to examine the many claims attributed to that one found in scripture and compare such claims with:
#1. ... what we know to be true about the physical universe and life therein.

#2. ... what we know about history and historical events, including those events that YHWH (Jehovah) claims to have played a role in.

#3. ... what we can assertain by peronally testing the verifiable claims to godship found in the bible .


ISAIAH 45:21

"Make your report, present your case. Let them consult together in unity. Who foretold this long ago and declared it from times past? Is it not I, Jehovah? There is no other God but me; " - NWT


JW



FURTHER READING (Fred Online book) Mankind's search for God.
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/lv/r1/lp-e/0/56441



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"For if we live, we live to Jehovah, and if we die, we die to Jehovah. So both if we live and if we die, we belong to Jehovah" -
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Re: Which god is God?

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JehovahsWitness wrote:
Tcg wrote:
How do we objectively determine YHWH is NOT false?

Yes, this is a very important question. I'm glad you highlighted it. I'd also be very interested in a direct answer to this question.



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[Replying to post 23 by Tcg]

Did you see my answer above?
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JehovahsWitness wrote: [Replying to post 23 by Tcg]

Did you see my answer above?

I address your claims as they are when you make them. Your ever changing claims after I have addressed your original claim are not of any interest.


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[Replying to post 25 by Tcg]

Duly noted.


Thanks for clarifying.


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JehovahsWitness wrote: [Replying to post 25 by Tcg]

Duly noted.


Thanks for clarifying.

JW
You're welcome. We will count this as your sixth response that fails to address the question the OP asks.



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- American Atheists


Not believing isn't the same as believing not.

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- Irvin D. Yalom

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marco wrote: Virgil made Juno a jealous goddess; Homer had Aphrodite assisting Paris. So people imagined the activities of gods.
How do you know he was not speaking of real persons?
marco wrote:So God is a human choice, like taking vanilla instead of strawberry ice cream. How does one choose which God to honour or which religion to settle for?
By what he thinks is worthy to be held God. God is really like a title, similar to king, but higher. And all people have something as their god, highest authority that determines persons actions. For many, fear is their god, it rules them and determines their choices. What person keeps as his god can be seen from what he serves with his actions, fear, lie or love or something else.
marco wrote:Yahweh is a human fabrication. He may have been made wise but he's rather deficient in goodness, love and mercy.
I accept that as your baseless opinion.

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How do we objectively determine whose version of God is NOT false?

Once again it is evident that we don't.
"God" … just whatever humans imagine it to be.

"Scripture" … just whatever humans write it to be.

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[Replying to post 29 by SallyF]

Debating with yourself is an excellent way to ensure that you win :lol:

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