Many, many cultures have imagined God in many, many ways. Certain cultures declare everyone else's idea of God to be false.
How do we objectively determine whose version of God is NOT false?
Which god is God?
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Replies here - and everywhere else I've been - indicate that believers have nothing more than human writings and their personal beliefs to offer.SallyF wrote:How do we objectively determine whose version of God is NOT false?
Once again it is evident that we don't.
My subjective determination is that ALL versions of "God" are equally false.
"God" … just whatever humans imagine it to be.
"Scripture" … just whatever humans write it to be.
"Scripture" … just whatever humans write it to be.
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Post #33
[Replying to post 32 by SallyF]
What makes a 'version of GOD' you don't appear to have said.
Personally, my subjective understanding is that the Panentheist idea of GOD is the most likely. Could you explain to the reader why you think that version of GOD is false?
Thanks for letting us all know Sally.My subjective determination is that ALL versions of "God" are equally false.
What makes a 'version of GOD' you don't appear to have said.
Personally, my subjective understanding is that the Panentheist idea of GOD is the most likely. Could you explain to the reader why you think that version of GOD is false?
Post #34
FYI God is not a concept concept holders cannot begin to get it. Concepts only separate God is one. AS Buddhist's say ; if you meet Buddha on the road , kill him. , so goes it for concepts of God. Any God we can imagine is not God. God is greater than we are able to imagine. Can a fish imagine the greatness of the ocean? Allegorically We are swimming in God.I dare say all the various versions of God people have are probably false. But make no mistake God exists.
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dio9 wrote: FYI God is not a concept concept holders cannot begin to get it. Concepts only separate God is one. AS Buddhist's say ; if you meet Buddha on the road , kill him. , so goes it for concepts of God. Any God we can imagine is not God. God is greater than we are able to imagine. Can a fish imagine the greatness of the ocean? Allegorically We are swimming in God.I dare say all the various versions of God people have are probably false. But make no mistake God exists.
Your claim:
- "God is greater than we are able to imagine."
There is clear evidence that concepts of God exist. When it comes to God itself, all you can offer is an unsupported claim:
- "But make no mistake God exists."
- "Replies here - and everywhere else I've been - indicate that believers have nothing more than human writings and their personal beliefs to offer."
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Post #36
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Because it has the identical absence of evidence to every other version of God.
Personally, my subjective understanding is that the Panentheist idea of GOD is the most likely. Could you explain to the reader why you think that version of GOD is false?
Because it has the identical absence of evidence to every other version of God.
"God" … just whatever humans imagine it to be.
"Scripture" … just whatever humans write it to be.
"Scripture" … just whatever humans write it to be.
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Post #37
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Religions, like any deeply held and reinforced beliefs, can produce psychological effects on those who 'drink the cool aid'.
Ancient (or modern) writings are OPINIONS of human writers -- stories they tell. Humans are quite capable of mistakes and deceptions -- creating mythology and legends.
No verification is offered to substantiate claims of knowledge about the proposed 'supernatural'. Saying 'everyone does it' or 'many believe' is NO indication of truth.
Exactly -- religions are based on human tales purporting knowledge of supernatural entities and activities -- NOTHING MORE.SallyF wrote: Replies here - and everywhere else I've been - indicate that believers have nothing more than human writings and their personal beliefs to offer.
Religions, like any deeply held and reinforced beliefs, can produce psychological effects on those who 'drink the cool aid'.
Ancient (or modern) writings are OPINIONS of human writers -- stories they tell. Humans are quite capable of mistakes and deceptions -- creating mythology and legends.
No verification is offered to substantiate claims of knowledge about the proposed 'supernatural'. Saying 'everyone does it' or 'many believe' is NO indication of truth.
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ANY of the thousands of "gods" proposed, imagined, worshiped, loved, feared, and/or fought over by humans MAY exist -- awaiting verifiable evidence
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ANY of the thousands of "gods" proposed, imagined, worshiped, loved, feared, and/or fought over by humans MAY exist -- awaiting verifiable evidence
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Post #38
[Replying to post 36 by SallyF]
Perhaps you will be the first to do so?
If you like, we can go head to head on this. At least 3 non-theists members so far have made similar claims about Panentheism but have not been willing to take their opinions into head 2 head with me. Perhaps you will be the first?
My subjective determination is that ALL versions of "God" are equally false.
Thanks for letting us all know Sally.
What makes a 'version of GOD' you don't appear to have said.
Personally, my subjective understanding is that the Panentheist idea of GOD is the most likely. Could you explain to the reader why you think that version of GOD is false?
Well that is your claim but I notice with claims like this, that no evidence to back the claim is ever offered.Because it has the identical absence of evidence to every other version of God.
Perhaps you will be the first to do so?
If you like, we can go head to head on this. At least 3 non-theists members so far have made similar claims about Panentheism but have not been willing to take their opinions into head 2 head with me. Perhaps you will be the first?
Post #39
Please examine my absence of evidence in the three lines below:William wrote: [Replying to post 36 by SallyF]
My subjective determination is that ALL versions of "God" are equally false.Thanks for letting us all know Sally.
What makes a 'version of GOD' you don't appear to have said.
Personally, my subjective understanding is that the Panentheist idea of GOD is the most likely. Could you explain to the reader why you think that version of GOD is false?Well that is your claim but I notice with claims like this, that no evidence to back the claim is ever offered.Because it has the identical absence of evidence to every other version of God.
Perhaps you will be the first to do so?
If you like, we can go head to head on this. At least 3 non-theists members so far have made similar claims about Panentheism but have not been willing to take their opinions into head 2 head with me. Perhaps you will be the first?
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There you have it.
"God" … just whatever humans imagine it to be.
"Scripture" … just whatever humans write it to be.
"Scripture" … just whatever humans write it to be.
Post #40
How do we objectively determine whose version of God is NOT false?
Ain't nobody demonstrated how we do.
They ALL still look like human-imagined make-believe to this Atheist.
"God" … just whatever humans imagine it to be.
"Scripture" … just whatever humans write it to be.
"Scripture" … just whatever humans write it to be.