Prominent Marks of the True Church of the Lord Today

[adlemi]

Prominent Marks of the True Church of the Lord Today
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1. In the true church of the Lord, there is no man pastor/s who will teach his brothers nor will there be any one to act as leader, but in the True Church of the Lord, the Lord God Almighty who is none other than the Lord Jesus Christ is the One, the only Good Pastor himself who personally teaches each and everyone in the church and the Lord God is the only One high and above all mankind and all creations. The Lord God is the only keeper and overseers of the flock and the only One adding or deducting a member/s to the church. Nobody knows the location and status of the church members for only the Lord knows it and those whom the Lord wishes to.

2. In the true church of the Lord, each and everyone is equal to and/or is at par with each other. None is poor neither rich, none is sick nor healthy, none is humbled nor exalted, none is big nor small, but all is whole and already healed in spirit. If there is any impairment between and amongst themselves, they are only in flesh, but not in spirit.

3. In the true church of the Lord, no one is allowed to explain the holy scriptures/bible and teach same to his brother for the Lord God is the only One who will teach each and everyone among mankind and the only duty of any member is just to tell the world to call on to and to go to the Lord God directly and seek the Lord true to their heart, soul, and mind. If there will be any explanation of the scriptures/bible to be made (like in a bible study which is allowed by the Lord), same should be treated as only their own explanation and should be kept to themselves. Never at all that same should be made doctrine/s of the church for in the church of the Lord, there is no doctrine whatsoever because the Lord God himself is the only Teacher/Good Pastor and the teachings will always come from the Lord God alone.

4. In the true church of the Lord, none is boastful saying that they are the only ones to be saved and outside of their church is no salvation and they do not mingle in any troublesome activities, but rather they spread the words that the Lord is uttering to them in guiding their fellow men to the way leading to the kingdom of God.

Questions:

!. Why is it that different denominations of Christian churches today have their own man pastors (instead of One Good Pastor who is the Lord), teachings, and doctrines which divide rather that unify themselves?

2. Why is it that different denominations of Christian churches today only get their teaching from the bible instead of getting them directly from the Lord Jesus Christ being the Almighty Lord God of all ages?

[bernee51]

Why is it that different denominations of Christian churches today only get their teaching from the bible instead of getting them directly from the Lord Jesus Christ being the Almighty Lord God of all ages?[/color]

Can you send me the URL for the podcast?

[adlemi]

Why is it that different denominations of Christian churches today only get their teaching from the bible instead of getting them directly from the Lord Jesus Christ being the Almighty Lord God of all ages?[/color]

Can you send me the URL for the podcast?

I don't know what "URL for the podcast" means? This is a direct revelation from the Lord Jesus Christ, somewhat similar to Paul's.

[achilles12604]

Ok question . . . . .


How do you know what Jesus is saying? If it divine revelation, what happens when someone thinks they have had a revelation but really it was their imagintion or worse, demonic influence?

Also, what if two people have revelations, but they are mutually exclusive? Who is right and who is wrong?

[McCulloch]

1. In the true church of the Lord, there is no man pastor/s who will teach his brothers nor will there be any one to act as leader, but in the True Church of the Lord, the Lord God Almighty who is none other than the Lord Jesus Christ is the One, the only Good Pastor himself who personally teaches each and everyone in the church and the Lord God is the only One high and above all mankind and all creations. The Lord God is the only keeper and overseers of the flock and the only One adding or deducting a member/s to the church. Nobody knows the location and status of the church members for only the Lord knows it and those whom the Lord wishes to.

Jesus himself seemed to set up pastors and leaders for his church. One of those, Paul, provided guidance for those leaders. It would seem odd that these leadership roles should be abandoned now.

2. In the true church of the Lord, each and everyone is equal to and/or is at par with each other. None is poor neither rich, none is sick nor healthy, none is humbled nor exalted, none is big nor small, but all is whole and already healed in spirit. If there is any impairment between and amongst themselves, they are only in flesh, but not in spirit.

There are different spiritual gifts aren't there?

3. In the true church of the Lord, no one is allowed to explain the holy scriptures/bible and teach same to his brother for the Lord God is the only One who will teach each and everyone among mankind and the only duty of any member is just to tell the world to call on to and to go to the Lord God directly and seek the Lord true to their heart, soul, and mind. If there will be any explanation of the scriptures/bible to be made (like in a bible study which is allowed by the Lord), same should be treated as only their own explanation and should be kept to themselves. Never at all that same should be made doctrine/s of the church for in the church of the Lord, there is no doctrine whatsoever because the Lord God himself is the only Teacher/Good Pastor and the teachings will always come from the Lord God alone.

This is not the pattern one reads about in the New Testament. Do provide some basis for this assertion.

1. Why is it that different denominations of Christian churches today have their own man pastors (instead of One Good Pastor who is the Lord), teachings, and doctrines which divide rather that unify themselves?

I believe that it would be hard, perhaps impossible, to find a Christian denomination that was not established to bring christianity closer to the authentic teachings of Christ. There is a repeated pattern in church history. Some dynamic leader gets the idea that this[/i ] or that is the one biblical thing that is missing from the church. The established church rejects his idea and yet one more schism is formed.

2. Why is it that different denominations of Christian churches today only get their teaching from the bible instead of getting them directly from the Lord Jesus Christ being the Almighty Lord God of all ages?

The problem with continued revelation as opposed to the more stable idea of a fixed revelation from God, is two-fold:

1. Each new revelation has to be reconciled with the past existing canon of known revelations. As the catalog of revelations from God become larger and larger with each generation, this reconciliation becomes more difficult.
2. It is difficult to determine what is a genuine and what is a counterfeit revelation from God. Aside from (1), what measure do you use?

[adlemi]

Ok question . . . . .

How do you know what Jesus is saying? If it divine revelation, what happens when someone thinks they have had a revelation but really it was their imagintion or worse, demonic influence?

The Lord Jesus Christ wil give the true believers (I do not say that we are the only ones or the only group experiencing the Lord but the Lord is opened to all who will truly believe Him) three important things for them to hold on to that it is really God who is speaking to them:

1. The Lord Jesus reads the mind of anyone in His flock and/or gives the answer in advanced of the question yet to be asked by a certain believer from among the group. (The Lord said that satan and his devil are not yet given this power but in due times, in the 6-year temporary reign of satan and his devil over this earth, they will have this power)

2. The most important one is the filling in of the Holy Spirit which is a unique physical feelings that no one may counterfeit and it is common and typical to all believers at any point in time and at any place where they are.

3. The Lord Jesus Christ will direct the believers direct to Him as the Almighty Lord God and not to the bible nor to any man pastor.

Also, what if two people have revelations, but they are mutually exclusive? Who is right and who is wrong?

Where the revelations exalt no other but the Lord God, where same directly lead you to get nigh with no one, not even to the bilbe, but only to the Lord God for you to arrive at the whole TRUTH, where same lead you to no denominational group, and when same lead you to unity, peace, patience, and the likes, that one is the right one for it is the Lord God who is the only TRUTH, not me nor even you.

[McCulloch]

The Lord Jesus Christ wil[l] give the true believers (I do not say that we are the only ones or the only group experiencing the Lord but the Lord is opened to all who will truly believe Him) three important things for them to hold on to that it is really God who is speaking to them:

1. The Lord Jesus reads the mind of anyone in His flock and/or gives the answer in advanced of the question yet to be asked by a certain believer from among the group. (The Lord said that satan and his devil are not yet given this power but in due times, in the 6-year temporary reign of satan and his devil over this earth, they will have this power)

Do you have any objective evidence at all to support this claim?

2. The most important one is the filling in of the Holy Spirit which is a unique physical feelings that no one may counterfeit and it is common and typical to all believers at any point in time and at any place where they are.

How do you distinguish between attempts to counterfeit this filling of the Holy Spirit and genuine experiences with the Holy Spirit. There are lots of people running around filled with the Holy Spirit.

3. The Lord Jesus Christ will direct the believers direct to Him as the Almighty Lord God and not to the bible nor to any man pastor.

Do you have any support for this assertion?

[adlemi]

The Lord Jesus Christ wil[l] give the true believers (I do not say that we are the only ones or the only group experiencing the Lord but the Lord is opened to all who will truly believe Him) three important things for them to hold on to that it is really God who is speaking to them:

1. The Lord Jesus reads the mind of anyone in His flock and/or gives the answer in advanced of the question yet to be asked by a certain believer from among the group. (The Lord said that satan and his devil are not yet given this power but in due times, in the 6-year temporary reign of satan and his devil over this earth, they will have this power)

Do you have any objective evidence at all to support this claim?

The best evidence for this one is personal experience because this is between me and the Lord or in your case between you and the Lord. There was a time in our tutorial lesson with the Lord that I requested something from HIm thru my mind only, without moving my mouth nor uttering anything at all, and when our tutorial lesson was over, the Lord did directly responded to what I was asking for. I was really surprised to hear that from the Lord and when I thanked the Lord for that one, He told me to inform the brethren present in our tutorial class what He exactly did to me for the brethren to know that nothing is impossible with the Lord, even reading the contents of our mind and our heart at any point in time. Of course you can feel the weight of what I am telling you now if you were in my stead. But if you are familiar with the Samaritan woman to whom the Lord Jesus was asking for water, it was that woman, too, who was greatly amazed when the Lord told her what her exact status in life was at that very moment.

2. The most important one is the filling in of the Holy Spirit which is a unique physical feelings that no one may counterfeit and it is common and typical to all believers at any point in time and at any place where they are.

How do you distinguish between attempts to counterfeit this filling of the Holy Spirit and genuine experiences with the Holy Spirit. There are lots of people running around filled with the Holy Spirit.

As per our experience with the Lord, a big ball of fire appeared above our midst while we were praying holding each other hands and this big ball of fire was divided into tongue like shape flame and each flame came directly over our head and it started to sink in starting from our head until it was all inside our body without our hair nor our flesh got burnt. We did feel it physically like a very minimal flow of electric current in our flesh. And this filling in of the Holy Spirit is without measure, meaning it may happens as many times a day depending on what you are thinking and/or saying with the Lord Jesus, even in your mind only or in your prayer. This is the sign that the Lord gives the believer for the believer to feel the Lord physically though they cannot see Him physically and this is also a testimony of the Lord to the believer that He is real and alive.

No one can counterfeit this one because this is a continuous experience irregardless of place and time coupled with physical feelings and not with speaking in tongues nor the so called being slain by the Holy Spirit as we can see them today in different congregations (also the Lord told us that the apostles then did not actually speak in other tongues during the so called day of the pentecoste in the book of Acts, but tbe apostles did just speak in their own tongue while praying but what did come out to their tongues in the ears of the people outside was their (people outside) own respective languages)

3. The Lord Jesus Christ will direct the believers direct to Him as the Almighty Lord God and not to the bible nor to any man pastor.

Do you have any support for this assertion?

The Lord God Jesus himself and our own experience with Him which is still in progress is our best support for this assertion. The Lord is always waiting for anyone to come directly to Him and place himself under the care of the Lord Jesus as the real and alive Almighty Lord God and all these things that I am telling you about the Lord will be with him, too.

[adlemi]

1. In the true church of the Lord, there is no man pastor/s who will teach his brothers nor will there be any one to act as leader, but in the True Church of the Lord, the Lord God Almighty who is none other than the Lord Jesus Christ is the One, the only Good Pastor himself who personally teaches each and everyone in the church and the Lord God is the only One high and above all mankind and all creations. The Lord God is the only keeper and overseers of the flock and the only One adding or deducting a member/s to the church. Nobody knows the location and status of the church members for only the Lord knows it and those whom the Lord wishes to.

Jesus himself seemed to set up pastors and leaders for his church. One of those, Paul, provided guidance for those leaders. It would seem odd that these leadership roles should be abandoned now.

And even today, Jesus himself being the Almighty Lord God of all must be the only One to set up those things as they were before and it must not be people of today who only read the bible and then self-proclaimed themlves as pastors, evangelist, teacher, lay leaders, deacon, etc. and get their teachings from the bible. Have you seen from Genesis to Revelations this system that different religious denominations are doing today? Bible is made for us people to see the reality of the existence of God so that we, too, may come to directly to the Lord and have Him as our Good Pastor and Teacher at all times and never that the bible be our teacher or only source and final authority in all TRUTH.

With respect to what Paul did, it will remain as testimony to the reality o9f the existence of theLord and never that it will just go to waste but you cannot follow nor trust them without the help of the Lord Jesus because Paul is already dead. It is now time for us to come to the Lord because of the testimony of Paul in reference to this quote.

2. In the true church of the Lord, each and everyone is equal to and/or is at par with each other. None is poor neither rich, none is sick nor healthy, none is humbled nor exalted, none is big nor small, but all is whole and already healed in spirit. If there is any impairment between and amongst themselves, they are only in flesh, but not in spirit.

There are different spiritual gifts aren't there?

The Lord is specifically referring to man pastors of religious congregations or denominations in this part, meaning that we should always put in our mind that only the Lord God is the Good Pastor and none among mankind will ever be in such position because we are all equal with each other - believers, witnesses, etc. I maybe a good singer and you maybe a good guitarist or drummer but we both are believers to the Lord.

3. In the true church of the Lord, no one is allowed to explain the holy scriptures/bible and teach same to his brother for the Lord God is the only One who will teach each and everyone among mankind and the only duty of any member is just to tell the world to call on to and to go to the Lord God directly and seek the Lord true to their heart, soul, and mind. If there will be any explanation of the scriptures/bible to be made (like in a bible study which is allowed by the Lord), same should be treated as only their own explanation and should be kept to themselves. Never at all that same should be made doctrine/s of the church for in the church of the Lord, there is no doctrine whatsoever because the Lord God himself is the only Teacher/Good Pastor and the teachings will always come from the Lord God alone.

This is not the pattern one reads about in the New Testament. Do provide some basis for this assertion.

Don't forget that the Lord God himself, the Lord Jesus, is the good basis for all of these assertions I am now sharing in this forum so that you may know that coming to directly to the Lord will bring you to an encounter with God as in the biblical times. The New Testament is just a written records of testimonies for the reality of the existence of the Lord Jesus Christ and the bible is not the Lord God with whom only all the TRUTH emanates.

1. Why is it that different denominations of Christian churches today have their own man pastors (instead of One Good Pastor who is the Lord), teachings, and doctrines which divide rather that unify themselves?

I believe that it would be hard, perhaps impossible, to find a Christian denomination that was not established to bring christianity closer to the authentic teachings of Christ. There is a repeated pattern in church history. Some dynamic leader gets the idea that this[/i ] or that is the one biblical thing that is missing from the church. The established church rejects his idea and yet one more schism is formed.

The way I look at it now is that Christian denominations were established to bring people closer to the teachings of the bible but not to the Lord God himself. But the bible is not the Lord God Jesus Christ and the authentic teachings of Christ is nowhere to be find out of this world because same is with the Lord Jesus Christ himself. He can utter them exactly as how they were written before to anyone today who will come to direct to and put all their trust and confidence in the Lord God. With the Lord God Jesus Christ, nothing is missing at all unlike in the bible wherein it cannot fill in the gaps that the believers are looking for resulting in man made schisms just to fill in the said gaps.

2. Why is it that different denominations of Christian churches today only get their teaching from the bible instead of getting them directly from the Lord Jesus Christ being the Almighty Lord God of all ages?

The problem with continued revelation as opposed to the more stable idea of a fixed revelation from God, is two-fold:

1. Each new revelation has to be reconciled with the past existing canon of known revelations. As the catalog of revelations from God become larger and larger with each generation, this reconciliation becomes more difficult.
2. It is difficult to determine what is a genuine and what is a counterfeit revelation from God. Aside from (1), what measure do you use?

What you said is likened by the Lord to a pail containing water almost at its full level. Bringing the said pail under a faucet and putting on the faucet, fresh water will be poured in to the pail and you can clearly see that the old water and the fresh water are both overflowing but never that the pail will get the fresh ones only - always a mixture of the old and the fresh. And this is the reason why it is difficult to determine what is a genuine and what is a counterfeit revelation from God. See if you can connect with what the Lord is saying here:

The Lord says:

“I said unto a woman, what was the last sin that you committed today? The woman replied, I cannot remember, Then I said, you cannot remember or you do not know the meaning of sin. The woman replied, please forgive me because I do not know the meaning of sin.”

”I then said unto a rich one doing a charitable work, what was the last sin that you committed today? The woman replied, I never did sin because I was busy doing a charitable work and good deeds. You are stupid with your sin. You will never be saved by your good deeds. Come ye all and I will teach you. Only your Lord can teach you what is the meaning of sin much more so that in the bible many are erratic and are not included that’s why if in it is written do not kill, the meaning of do not is not proper to do but if it will not be your Lord who will teach you, then how will you know that even these are wrong or right? UNLESS YOU THROW AWAY THE OLD, THOSE THAT YOU LEARN BY YOURSELF, THERE AND THEN THAT THE WISDOM COMING FROM THE LORD WILL COME TO YOU BUT IF YOU WILL NOT THROW AWAY THE OLD, YOU WILL REMAIN STUPID IN KNOWING THE MEANING OF SIN BECAUSE NOBODY CAN EVER TEACH YOU THE MEANING OF THOSE BUT YOUR LORD GOD. ANY GOOD DEED WILL SAVE YOU NOT UNLESS YOU TRUST AND ENTRUST YOUR LIFE TO YOUR ALMIGHTY LORD GOD.”

[McCulloch]

Direct revelation. A logical and grand idea. Why would God almighty all loving leave His people without guidence in these turbulent times? Why would He allow His faithful to be led astray by ancient texts interpreted through centuries of tradition?

But it not without problems. God told Fred that the congregation of the faithful needs to end hunger in Africa. But God told Marty that overthrowing godless democracy and establishing a god-fearing kingdom is the next step. How to decide? I'll wait for God to tell me directly. I hope that He tells me the same thing that he tells everyone else.