Why did Peter deny Christ THREE times?
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Why did Peter deny Christ THREE times?
Post #1Christ told Peter that he would deny him three times, which is curious. Why three times, and not "you will deny me", or you will deny me six times? The most likely reason is that he meant that Peter would one day find out about the physical relationship he had with three boys, namely John, James and ... Judas, in other words, that Jesus was gay (Para 7). And Peter did when the naked you man fled away after Christ's arrest.
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Re: Why did Peter deny Christ THREE times?
Post #2Peace to you,
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Peter denied Christ three times because three times people asked (or pointed out) that Peter was one of the disciples of Christ.
Christ simply spoke the truth.
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Peter denied Christ three times because three times people asked (or pointed out) that Peter was one of the disciples of Christ.
Christ simply spoke the truth.
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Re: Why did Peter deny Christ THREE times?
Post #3You would say, too, tam, that the fact that Peter's denials numbered three was very significant beyond the simple fact that he was asked three times, would you not? I certainly would...tam wrote: Peter denied Christ three times because three times people asked (or pointed out) that Peter was one of the disciples of Christ.
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Re: Why did Peter deny Christ THREE times?
Post #4Peace to you,
He was asked three times, hence, he denied three times.
Peace again to you,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy
Peter sometimes needed Christ to repeat something three times (for emphasis) before Peter believed and accepted the truth of what Christ had told him. But other than that, no.PinSeeker wrote:You would say, too, tam, that the fact that Peter's denials numbered three was very significant beyond the simple fact that he was asked three times, would you not? I certainly would...tam wrote: Peter denied Christ three times because three times people asked (or pointed out) that Peter was one of the disciples of Christ.
He was asked three times, hence, he denied three times.
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your servant and a slave of Christ,
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Re: Why did Peter deny Christ THREE times?
Post #5[Replying to post 1 by Riaan]
I think 3 represents completeness.
https://bible.org/seriespage/3-use-three-bible
https://www.biblestudy.org/bibleref/mea ... ble/3.html
For instance I heard recently that in Jewish tradition no one is considered dead until after 3 days https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shemira (According to midrashic tradition, the soul hovers over the body for three (Genesis Rabbah 100:7 and Leviticus Rabbah 18:1) or seven (Pirke de Rabbi Eliezer, chapter 34) days after death.)
Which explains to me why Jesus died for 3 days and also seems to be evidence for the idea of the Trinity.
But here with Peter we see his betrayal is complete by the third denial. He may have denied him 5 times in reality but the 3rd time signifies the completeness of it.
I think 3 represents completeness.
https://bible.org/seriespage/3-use-three-bible
https://www.biblestudy.org/bibleref/mea ... ble/3.html
For instance I heard recently that in Jewish tradition no one is considered dead until after 3 days https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shemira (According to midrashic tradition, the soul hovers over the body for three (Genesis Rabbah 100:7 and Leviticus Rabbah 18:1) or seven (Pirke de Rabbi Eliezer, chapter 34) days after death.)
Which explains to me why Jesus died for 3 days and also seems to be evidence for the idea of the Trinity.
But here with Peter we see his betrayal is complete by the third denial. He may have denied him 5 times in reality but the 3rd time signifies the completeness of it.
Proverbs 18:17 The one who states his case first seems right, until the other comes and examines him.
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Re: Why did Peter deny Christ THREE times?
Post #6One is complete, GOD.Wootah wrote:I think 3 represents completeness.
Two is GOD and HIS creation.
Three is GOD in Unity, the completeness of that which is GOD.
Four is the Trinity plus HIS creation.
Five is 4 plus Satan's creation of evil, ie suffering.
Six adds man's evil to Satan's, ie the sinfulness of the good seed.
Seven is the number of completeness and perfection especially in the bible, the teachings of Jesus and adding His death into the state of sinfulness. It equals the perfect redemption and the perfection of the saints.
Maybe...
PCE Theology as I see it...
We had an existence with a free will in Sheol before the creation of the physical universe. Here we chose to be able to become holy or to be eternally evil in YHWH's sight. Then the physical universe was created and all sinners were sent to earth.
This theology debunks the need to base Christianity upon the blasphemy of creating us in Adam's sin.
We had an existence with a free will in Sheol before the creation of the physical universe. Here we chose to be able to become holy or to be eternally evil in YHWH's sight. Then the physical universe was created and all sinners were sent to earth.
This theology debunks the need to base Christianity upon the blasphemy of creating us in Adam's sin.
Post #7
It is a no-brainer that the Christ wasn't gay. He also didn't have any sexual relations with women, since he was not married. Because, if he did, those types of activities would make the Christ guilty of sinful actions. However: Peter, John, Luke and Paul wrote clearly that the Christ did not sin…
Therefore, the most reasonable answer to: Why Peter denied the Christ three times is: Because, the Son of God told him that he would! In Luke 22:33, it is clear that Peter is claiming a strength that he really doesn't have, at the time in question. Thus, it is easy to make claims of courage, when we are not threatened, but when we are put to the test, such as Satan "sifting us as wheat" (Luke 22:31) our true nature can come to light. Hence, for a brief time Peter's weakness, which was born of human frailty and resulted in fear, took hold of him…So, there doesn't seem to be any other purpose, beyond a teaching lesson for Peter, for the example.
Therefore, the most reasonable answer to: Why Peter denied the Christ three times is: Because, the Son of God told him that he would! In Luke 22:33, it is clear that Peter is claiming a strength that he really doesn't have, at the time in question. Thus, it is easy to make claims of courage, when we are not threatened, but when we are put to the test, such as Satan "sifting us as wheat" (Luke 22:31) our true nature can come to light. Hence, for a brief time Peter's weakness, which was born of human frailty and resulted in fear, took hold of him…So, there doesn't seem to be any other purpose, beyond a teaching lesson for Peter, for the example.
Re: Why did Peter deny Christ THREE times?
Post #8[Replying to post 2 by tam]
You are assuming that Christ was indeed the Son of God and that he had foreknowledge of what would happen. If Christ was not the Son of God, he would not have know anything about Peter denying him three times that night (twice to the same woman). This excuse must have been introduced by the evangelists so as to explain Christ's remark about Peter's denial during the Last Supper, not having a clue what it was all about.
Perhaps you should read the entire text, specifically the allegations of sexual misconduct brought against Christ (Was Jesus Gay?, Section 10).
You are assuming that Christ was indeed the Son of God and that he had foreknowledge of what would happen. If Christ was not the Son of God, he would not have know anything about Peter denying him three times that night (twice to the same woman). This excuse must have been introduced by the evangelists so as to explain Christ's remark about Peter's denial during the Last Supper, not having a clue what it was all about.
Perhaps you should read the entire text, specifically the allegations of sexual misconduct brought against Christ (Was Jesus Gay?, Section 10).
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[Replying to post 7 by FWI]
Where is sex without marriage in the Law or Bible described as sin? Other than Paul...Go to the OT here
Where is sex without marriage in the Law or Bible described as sin? Other than Paul...Go to the OT here
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Re: Why did Peter deny Christ THREE times?
Post #10Yes, but in various contexts, so is 3, 10, 12, and several multiples of those numbers, like 70, 1000 and 144,000.ttruscott wrote: Seven is the number of completeness and perfection...