Spoiler alert!! This is a trick question....

[kcplusdc@yahoo.com]

God loves to bless the undeserving.
True or false?

[PinSeeker]

God loves to bless the undeserving.
True or false?

Yes.

[kcplusdc@yahoo.com]

Give that person a cigar!
Wait, those cause cancer, scratch that!

Gods love has no limits! That includes the undeserving.
Gods gonna love you even if it's not fair!
Anyone can love someone who loves ya back, Gods love is much greater and not dependant on what you are up to.

[Checkpoint]

Give that person a cigar!
Wait, those cause cancer, scratch that!

Gods love has no limits! That includes the undeserving.
Gods gonna love you even if it's not fair!
Anyone can love someone who loves ya back, Gods love is much greater and not dependant on what you are up to.

Yeah, that's because God IS love.

[kcplusdc@yahoo.com]

From Judus, the theif on the cross, his inner circle denying and betrayed him, combined with his opinion on loving thy enemy, Christ let his love hand fly fast and often. He walked his talk right up to his death.

Its hard then to accept God being behind an eternal sentance to hell for a sinner. Is that love?
Where's his Forgiveness? Does it makes sense to learn to love, forgive from a master who doesnt do the same?

God is love, he blesses the undeserving, he loves the unlovable. He by definition is the culmination of love, 25 degree black belt, undefeated.

[ttruscott]

God loves to bless the undeserving.
True or false?

Unless you are a Calvinist who believes that our election is Undeserved then our election to salvation is based upon a reason, a reason GOD used to elect some and not others.

Does it change the question if we realize that undeserving election to salvation has a corollary that those damned must have also been passed over for election while undeserving of that status? IF they do not deserve to be passed over for election but are passed over anyway then we have a Christian doctrine proclaiming GOD condemns the innocent to hell!

So if we apply the condition of being undeserving to our ELECTION this doctrine of HIS love is a failure and that leads us to search our theology for the reason, the condition, HIS love elected some and not others.

Now, if we apply the doctrine of HIS love for the undeserving to sinners, ie , people who by their choosing to be sinful in HIS sight and so have lost all right to call on HIS love we must cut narrowly between ideas...

1. The sinful elect who fulfilled the reason for His election of them to salvation do indeed have a right to expect HIM to fulfill HIS loving election promise and to lovingly save them. Where they cannot claim to be deserving of HIS loving mercy is in their works, the things they do on earth in order to attract HIS love because their best acts of righteousness are as filthy rags and they cannot please GOD by anything but faith and that in essence being the faith that had them fulfill the condition for their election, the base for saving faith.

2. If all sin is of one ultimate disvalue then undeserving love must accrue to the Satanic sinners also for without a reason not to love them, to in fact hate them, HE is culpable if there is no reason to treat them this way.

So in the condition they chose that caused them to be passed over for election and salvation and their evil lives there can be found NO REASON AT ALL FOR HIS LOVING THEM yet He does, sending the rain and the sun on them as upon HIS legitimate children. This is the true undeserved love, not the love HE has for HIS sinful sheep.

[Checkpoint]

[Replying to post 5 by kcplusdc@yahoo.com]

Its hard then to accept God being behind an eternal sentance to hell for a sinner. Is that love?

Good question.

It should lead us to re-examine our understanding of what that eternal sentence to hell is and what it is not.

Grace and peace.

[ttruscott]

Its hard then to accept God being behind an eternal sentance to hell for a sinner. Is that love?

It is love for HIS heavenly Bride...

Love and the absolute necessity of hell:
IF we were created as eternally self and other aware spirits and
IF we were all created with a free will and
IF there is an unforgivable sin, a sin that puts the person outside of all grace and
IF some of HIS creation chose to sin the unforgivable sin and
IF it is true that a little leaven / sin leavens / corrupts the whole lump / person / community, then
IF the only way to protect HIS Church and heavenly Family from these eternally evil people was to banish them from HIS heavenly reality,
THEN hell is an absolute necessity to keep the eternally evil ones from corrupting HIS heavenly family which HIS love would never allow.

Most Churches are comfortable with all of these IFs...

[Checkpoint]

Its hard then to accept God being behind an eternal sentance to hell for a sinner. Is that love?

It is love for HIS heavenly Bride...

Love and the absolute necessity of hell:
IF we were created as eternally self and other aware spirits and
IF we were all created with a free will and
IF there is an unforgivable sin, a sin that puts the person outside of all grace and
IF some of HIS creation chose to sin the unforgivable sin and
IF it is true that a little leaven / sin leavens / corrupts the whole lump / person / community, then
IF the only way to protect HIS Church and heavenly Family from these eternally evil people was to banish them from HIS heavenly reality,
THEN hell is an absolute necessity to keep the eternally evil ones from corrupting HIS heavenly family which HIS love would never allow.

Most Churches are comfortable with all of these IFs...

But how about you?

Are you comfortable with all of those IFs?

All of them stem from taking the first IF for granted, as being a given rather than as being a possible creation intention.

Grace and peace to you.

[ttruscott]

Its hard then to accept God being behind an eternal sentance to hell for a sinner. Is that love?

It is love for HIS heavenly Bride...

Love and the absolute necessity of hell:
IF we were created as eternally self and other aware spirits and
IF we were all created with a free will and
IF there is an unforgivable sin, a sin that puts the person outside of all grace and
IF some of HIS creation chose to sin the unforgivable sin and
IF it is true that a little leaven / sin leavens / corrupts the whole lump / person / community, then
IF the only way to protect HIS Church and heavenly Family from these eternally evil people was to banish them from HIS heavenly reality,
THEN hell is an absolute necessity to keep the eternally evil ones from corrupting HIS heavenly family which HIS love would never allow.

Most Churches are comfortable with all of these IFs...

But how about you?

Are you comfortable with all of those IFs?

All of them stem from taking the first IF for granted, as being a given rather than as being a possible creation intention.

Grace and peace to you.

The first IF is fine with me as is the last then. I am fine with this doctrine....