John 5 23 - divinity claim?

[Wootah]

Jesus said: John 5 23: that all may honour the Son, just as they honour the Father.

Does any being that is not God deserve to be honoured equally with God?

[Wootah]

[Replying to tam]

That's the point of this thread. Listen to Him.

Would you honour the Holy One of God just as you would honour God?

[tam]

Peace to you,

[Replying to tam]

That's the point of this thread. Listen to Him.

Would you honour the Holy One of God just as you would honour God?

Of course; God wants us to honor His Son just as we honor God; as Christ said. But for reasons already stated, that does not mean that Christ is God (the Most Holy One of Israel). Christ is the Holy One OF God.



Peace again to you,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy

[Wootah]

[Replying to post 70 by tam]

Ok well it's simple logic at this point either it's blasphemy or Jesus is God.

You can see it is blasphemy for all things and creatures because you understand my poiint with Donald Trump but you do not apply consistency to a not God creature you call 'the Holy One of God'.

You can't have it both ways.

[tam]

[Replying to post 70 by tam]

Ok well it's simple logic at this point either it's blasphemy or Jesus is God.

You can see it is blasphemy for all things and creatures because you understand my poiint with Donald Trump but you do not apply consistency to a not God creature you call 'the Holy One of God'.

You can't have it both ways.

Wootah, I never mentioned blasphemy at all.

Even so, it cannot be blasphemy to do as God said to do. If it is not blasphemy to listen to/obey/respect the Son as you would listen to/obey/respect the Father (and it is not)... why would it be blasphemy to honor the Son as you would honor the Father?



Peace again to you,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy

[Wootah]

[Replying to post 72 by tam]

Do you honour the Holy One of God just like you honour God?

[Wootah]

[Replying to post 72 by tam]

It's blasphemy for not God to claim to be worthy of honour just like the honour we should give God.

[tam]

Peace to you,

[Replying to post 74 by Wootah]



The following is blasphemy (and the related words blaspheme, blasphemous, etc):

blasphēme�

I to speak reproachfully, rail at, revile, calumniate, blaspheme

II to be evil spoken of, reviled, railed at

https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/le ... G987&t=KJV


There is more information on the link.

βλασφημία blasphēmía, blas-fay-me'-ah; from G989; vilification (especially against God):—blasphemy, evil speaking, railing.

https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/le ... G988&t=KJV

βλάσφημος blásphēmos, blas'-fay-mos; from a derivative of G984 and G5345; scurrilious, i.e. calumnious (against men), or (specially) impious (against God):—blasphemer(-mous), railing.

https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/le ... G989&t=KJV



Peace again!

[JehovahsWitness]

No man or angel is deserving of the respect due to God. Surely we can agree on that!?!

Are you suggesting John 5 23: is saying that Jesus should have the respect due to God? If so, why?

[Wootah]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness]

Yes. Because there is no way around the word just.

Tim is honouring everyone and making honour mean nothing.
Tam is clearly seeing the issue as it relates to all non God beings but cant see it for ' the holy one of God'.
Your explanation was that just doesnt mean EQUAL it means "in the same manner/ in the same way" but that only helped my argument.

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to post 77 by Wootah]

Manner does not mean EQUAL, it means style or fashion or method. So the same manner does not imply that the object of a verb is equal in authority, position, weight, responsibility, or power. So if one speaks to someone in the same manner and that manner is ... say, is polite it means you are equally polite to both King and Pauper. It does not imply the king and Pauper are equal or the same.


JW